. >> well, after the big -- was it the mari botnet, they came in through the dvds, people woke up to the idea that you could be hacked. but now it's complicated for a consumer, i think it's like reset your router's password and this whole trail of how to -- how realistic is that? i mean, most households are not going to sign up for dark trace or maybe you have a consumer product coming along. it seems a little like the horse has already left the barn on this and what's the best advice for everybody's, you know, all these households out there sitting on these devices. >> well, samsung did actually invest in dark trace about a year ago. part of the reason for that was they knew this was going to be the future where consumer devices and smart devices were going to go. and so it is possible that at some point this type of approach that we use could help protect even consumer devices, but we're seeing -- we saw this in 2018, where it impacts not only the consumer, businesses, and even impacts industrial control systems. users also internet connected devices in alternative energy, medical