mueller is following the money and we do know that mari maria butina, a russian spy, was involved goings trying to bring those people in. having a russian banker that has a lot of funds involved in this, and if somehow, russia was trying to use a legitimate u.s. organization or legitimate u.s. persons as donors for illegal campaign contributions, that would be a problem. >> agreed. >> when the report comes out, we'll learn more. it's an interesting thing to discuss. i haven't heard it before. let's get to something else that was pressing. you heard the question i layed out, whether or not the legal team around the president is confused or they're just trying to confuse other people. what's your take on that? >> well, of course your question centers around motives, but if i could just be a professional at the moment, there's no way that you could look at rudy giuliani's last three days of i'll call it performance and say that helps his client. so there's just no cast you can put on that that's positive, good legal representation in the public arena for his client. i'm astonished at the p