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. >>> joining us now, the former communications director for republican senator ted cruz and maria cardonahe is not only trying to deflect away from trump's new charges, he is alluding to the possibility that there could be a presidential pardon for the former president. listen to this. >> what i have said is simple. i'm going to do what's right for country. i don't think it would be good for the country to have an almost 80-year-old former president go to prison. >> that's a question? >> it doesn't seem like it would be a good thing. i look at ford pardoned nixon. took heat for it. at the end of the day, do we want to move forward or do we want to be in the past controversies? >> is that the right message? >> if he wants to appeal to trump's base and the people in support of trump, that's the message. others are showing somewhat somebody towards donald trump. what we are seeing tonight in iowa, this is the political prom. this kicks off the season for politics in iowa. there's rubber chicken on the plate. donald trump is the entree. he will be the main speaker, all eyes are on him. all th

discuss, former adviser to vice president mike pence olivia troye and cnn political commentator maria cardonatudio with me. this is a great treat. thank you so much. maria, we should note those words were used by trump when he was discussing iran back in 2020. but he did repost it just in the last several days, the video came from some other account that made it a maga account. but what are your thoughts when you hear that? >> clearly, it was intentional. and it was intentional in the moment because he is so pissed off about what's going on. he is so pissed off at jack smith for doing this to him. he is taking it personally, as he tends to do. and it's not the first time even recently that he has threatened violence. several days ago he talked about how if this happen, it could be very dangerous, right? that's another threat. it's not just a threat, jim, but it is not a very veiled invitation to his followers, the same way that he did prior to january 6th to say, hey, they're going after me. you guys have to defend me. you guys have to do something about this. and on january 6th we saw what h

let's discuss now the outcome of this with maria cardona, and rena shaw, a republican strategist, whore both joining me here tonight. i think when we look at the decisions of the student loan ruling today, it's clear it was a final ruling. some of the other rulings we got this week were open to interpretation. but on this one specifically, what do you predict the reaction is going to be among democratic voters? >> oh, democratic voters are already letting their voices heard, especially the young people. kaitlan, what i have heard from so many people across the board, young voters, latino voters, black voters, they're saying that this is completely unfair, that this is something that is going to mobilize them in the upcoming election. this decision, if it had gone through, kaitlan, would have given 43 million people, as you know, the ability to get rid of their student loans. 50% of latino students would have been under that. 40% of black students would have been under that. and black and latino families, that would have been game changer, not just for their families but for their gene

bush scott jennings and former democratic strategist maria cardona. scott, let me start with you. going on with the legal trouble donald trump seems to be getting in? it seems to have an adverse effect on his poll numbers. at some point, does he stop defying gravity? >> great question. we don't know, he hasn't yet. his people believe all of these legal troubles are just evidence that there is this cabal of actors out there trying to tear him down, i think about half the party wants to go with trump again and have the party wants to do something else. the trouble is, the half of the party that doesn't is fragmented among ron desantis and everyone else in the race. while that fragmentation is still occurring, it really won't matter what happens to donald trump because of his people stick, he is destined to get the nomination. my sense is that he will either collapse or he won't. i don't know if money will make a difference here. people will decide hadnough or they want, and right now they seem to be okay with it. >> some of them might be affected by current evts but in the meantime,