spokesman for the organization for security and cooperation in europe or o s c e and back in moscow maria lipman senior associate at the institute for european russian and eurasian studies at george washington university a warm welcome to you all maria let me start with you today this move to ban all of all these political organizations to declare them extremist i mean not only supporters see this as an inevitability at this point right i mean that's why offices are in the process of being disbanded correct yes this is correct and i think the government is out to destroy. his organizations formal and informal and actually it is on a broad campaign to destroy anything and anyone who would dare is express open and vocal disloyalty to the regime it is not limited to the not only himself and his organizations it goes much broader to some media outlets to lawyers to our non-governmental organizations and it seems that the campaign will continue and the government is very serious about it it is determined to put any end to open disloyalty alexander picking up on the point that maria was making there l

and in moscow, maria lipman, senior associate at the institute for european, russian, and eurasian studies move to ban all navalny's political organizations, to declare them extremist, navalny supporters see this as an inevitability at this point, right? that is why offices are in the process of being disbanded, correct? maria: yes, this is correct. i think the government is out to destroy navalny's organizations, formal and informal, and it is a broad campaign to destroy anything and anyone who dares express open and vocal disloyalty to the regime. it is not limited to navalny himself and his organizations. it goes much broader, to some media outlets, to lawyers, to nongovernment organitions. and it seems the campaign will continue, and the government is very serious about it. it is determined to put an end to open disloyalty. mohammed: alexander, picking up on the point maria was making, how dangerous will this extremist able make things for navalny supporters, staff members at his organization, and does this extremist as a nation mean staff and supporters are going to be potentially fac