and maria shriver gets interviewed by her daughter, katherine. >> thank you for noticing. >> and a shot shot of torrey her is she took a seat at the table. she literally walked in and sat down and said i want to be a part of this. >> tell me about teddy pritzker, i met with her a couple of times. >> she was just here. >> yeah. >> again, talk about a woman who has a seat at the table, penny pritzker, voted one of the most -- 100 most powerful women in the world by another magazine, "forbes," and she certainly has the president's ear. but, also, you know, yet another woman who is very interested in mentoring and helping other women and sharing power. so, you know, it's a very interesting conversation to be having this morning in light of what you were just talking about. >> what made you -- is this the first washington -- >> this is our fourth. >> okay. when you look at these women and you decide who gets on the list, it is accomplishment that tops it. >> well, yes. you know, it's sort of -- we think that power is sort of the ultimate chic thing right now. i mean, as always. i mean, we're looking at a l