mariana sam, is the student you just saw on edge of eighteen. and julia is a psychologist and the co-author, of the book the unexpected legacy of divorce. thanks to all of you for being here. julia you did a groundbreaking 25 year study on the children of divorce. we all reflectively say divorce is tough on kids. but are we paying attention to how tough it is and the long term impacts? >> probably not. even though there have been several studies that are -- that ours being one of them showing clearly that divorce is really difficult on both parents and kids when it happens and then over the years following divorce, i don't think there have been enough social and legal attention paid to the long term effects. and we're seeing it now. in terms of the whole generation of people who are wary of marriage and wary of having kids. >> julia just mentioned the legal effects. randy, this is something that