i think in my particular year, i think mariano rivera had gone in with 100% of the vote. david: the only one. cal: my year, there was a protest vote where five people did not turn in a ballot, as a protest of the steroid era. those counted against you. david: did anyone ever come to you and say you are good but you could be better? if you take some of these drugs. cal: no. looking back on it, you could probably see signs in hindsight of players who might have used. when you are playing, if you are not in that secret society, you don't know, and i didn't know. david: some players were like 180 pounds and then later they are 250 pounds. you didn't suspect they were doing something unusual? cal: yes. [laughter] david: you are 6'4". traditionally shortstops were more my height. and when you came along people didn't want people like me to be shortstops anymore. did you change the game of baseball by showing that shortstops should be bigger and better hitters? or is everybody going back to big, fast and good baseball steelers and not good hitters? cal: a lot of the shortstops l

in my particular year, mariano rivera went in at 100%. david: the only one.al: in my particular year, there was a protest vote. five people didn't turn in their ballot as a protest of the steroid era. so they counted against you. david: did anybody come to say, you could be even better if you take some of these drugs? they didn't try that? cal: no. looking back on it, you could see signs in hindsight of players that might've used. if you are not in this secret society, you don't know. i didn't know. david: some players were like 180 pounds and later 250 pounds. you didn't suspect they were doing something unusual? cal: yes. [laughter] david: you are six wood for. -- six foot four. when you came along, people didn't want people like me to be shortstops anymore. you changed the game of baseball . cal: a lot of the shortstops -- derek jeter is one of them. they give me credit for my success as a bigger shortstop. it gave them opportunities that may be otherwise they wouldn't have had. i think he would have carved out his own path. i did move from third to short.

mariano rivera that would be weird and for those of you who haven't watched tv in the 70s or 80s, likehe green man before he was the green man. he was the original green man, the hulk. let me get to the point. the other hulk for political consultants like me, these kind of things drive me crazy because you know, people find hulk they grew up with him like i did his job is going to be some stupid job. it is not the same as the defense secretary. i get that too but it makes me mad that i want to bring the democratic party back to being cool and i grew up thinking hulk hogan with all of his steroids was cool. i don't think things he did after wrestling or he did to women in his life was cool. but i enjoyed watching wrestling, right? >> right. or using the n-word, right? absolutely. yeah. not cool. yeah, i guess i stopped following hulk hogan after i turned eight because i didn't hear any. i did like him when i was little i mean, i did he was he was a big old guy who could like you know, make throw guys out of the ring right? yeah. but i mean, at some point, my mom said, this is not approp