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until their cases are resolved, they will do time at maricopa.ichelle lacy has been here for 2 1/2 months and could be facing several years in prison if she is convicted on various drug and weapon charges. >> somebody had heroin right now and put it in front of me, i can't honestly say that i wouldn't justify being able to do it. you know what i mean? my baby wrote me a postcard the other day that said, when you come home, will you not do drugs? that sucks. >> the hardest thing about being in jail for lacy is being a mom. >> i want them to know that i'm here because i did drugs, not because i didn't love them or because no matter how you look at it, no matter how i want to say it, i put drugs before my kids. not intentionally, because i love them more than the air that i breathe, but i did. >> lacy's two boys are 10 and 5. her daughter, liberty, is about to turn 7. and the best lacy can do is to celebrate her birthday with her dorm mates using the few snack items they can purchase from the jail canteen. >> so tomorrow's liberty's birthday and we'
until their cases are resolved, they will do time at maricopa.ichelle lacy has been here for 2 1/2 months and could be facing several years in prison if she is convicted on various drug and weapon charges. >> somebody had heroin right now and put it in front of me, i can't honestly say that i wouldn't justify being able to do it. you know what i mean? my baby wrote me a postcard the other day that said, when you come home, will you not do drugs? that sucks. >> the hardest thing...
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take me with you. >> the roar of jet engines over maricopa's rec yard is constant.nd so is the main topic of conversation, relationships. >> she was like saying that she missed me and all this stuff. so i told her that i would ride with her and then whether she goes to prison or not and whether i go or not. >> she is going to be your girl. >> but in the world of incarceration, there are no guarantees. emilee keen has just been offered a plea that can send her to prison for 8 to 15 years and take her far away from dailey. >> she said that she wanted to be my girlfriend when she got out. so i don't know if she would be willing to wait that long. >> facing a charge of sexual misconduct with a minor, dailey is also looking at potential prison time. >> if i do go to prison, i would end up on the same yard as her. so i'd, like, still be able to see her all the time. and i don't really care anymore if i go to prison because now that i have to like register and everything, it's going to be boring. >> let's go. >> dailey has a big decision to make. she could go to trial and
take me with you. >> the roar of jet engines over maricopa's rec yard is constant.nd so is the main topic of conversation, relationships. >> she was like saying that she missed me and all this stuff. so i told her that i would ride with her and then whether she goes to prison or not and whether i go or not. >> she is going to be your girl. >> but in the world of incarceration, there are no guarantees. emilee keen has just been offered a plea that can send her to prison...
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avenue jail facility are the highest security male housing units. >> these are the worst in maricopa county. get them out of gp and stuff downstairs. those are the shock collars out there. get them out there, stuff calms down for a while. >> these inmates have either committed violent acts in the jail or have been identified as gang members. like all inmates at maricopa, some are awaiting trial while others have been convicted and are appealing their verdicts or sentences. they are isolated in very stark cells, 23 hours a day, and get one hour of rec time in an empty concrete room with a skylight located right next door to their cells. >> our rec pen is the same size of our cell, so you're basically going from one cell to another to walk in circles. it's life in solitary confinement. no cellmates, no card games, no pinochle, no chess. but that's life. >> without the distraction of television, radio or cellmates, even the most hardened criminals can break under the pressure. >> every 25 minutes we do our walks to check on inmates to make sure the inmates are safe. they're a greater ri
avenue jail facility are the highest security male housing units. >> these are the worst in maricopa county. get them out of gp and stuff downstairs. those are the shock collars out there. get them out there, stuff calms down for a while. >> these inmates have either committed violent acts in the jail or have been identified as gang members. like all inmates at maricopa, some are awaiting trial while others have been convicted and are appealing their verdicts or sentences. they are...
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i want you to take bam bam. >> sergeant erby leads one of maricopa's special response teams..w.a.t.-like unit of highly trained sheriff's deputies. >> you all want them cuffed and brought out of there? for right now we're going to put them in the holding tank until after we search. >> are we searching first? >> yeah. all right? you've got a green light. all right? let's go. >> now with suspected gang activity on the rise, the team has been called in to clean house. >> how are you doing, man? >> we have identified several individuals that we deem to be heads of certain races. we've got chicano race, we've got the pisa race. and we've got the white race. so when there's issues, we end up with racial, basically wars. >> check your equipment. >> go, go, go, go, go. >> get down! >> get on the ground! >> get on the ground! >> get on the ground now! >> i want them out. put your hands on the back wall. let's go! >> come on down here and have a seat. i want you to sit down, take your hands off your head. gentlemen, those of you sitting on the floor, there will be no talking. >> open 1
i want you to take bam bam. >> sergeant erby leads one of maricopa's special response teams..w.a.t.-like unit of highly trained sheriff's deputies. >> you all want them cuffed and brought out of there? for right now we're going to put them in the holding tank until after we search. >> are we searching first? >> yeah. all right? you've got a green light. all right? let's go. >> now with suspected gang activity on the rise, the team has been called in to clean house....
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>> travino spent the last six years inside maricopa fighting a murder charge that could have earned her the death penalty. during that time, she was involved in numerous assaults on staff. >> rude dude with attitude. that's what they call me. the officers. >> in fact, travino told us she couldn't even remember how many times she had been tased. >> my whole back, i have, like, scars. this is a big one. this one's where i could put my finger -- see how big it is? i just didn't care. i was in here for the death penalty case. i didn't have nothing to lose. i mean, i have my family, don't get me wrong and my son and everything like that. but i just had that mentality. i was like, [ bleep ] that. i'm going to give them hell. >> sometimes you get the nice, sweet rosie, if she wants to be nice and sweet. and sometimes you get the crazy, i'm going to kill you rosie. >> travino proved both rosies could be equally dangerous. >> i want to touch it. >> staff warned me about this. she can actually draw people in. which she did on many occasions. and one of the stories that's very well known about ros
>> travino spent the last six years inside maricopa fighting a murder charge that could have earned her the death penalty. during that time, she was involved in numerous assaults on staff. >> rude dude with attitude. that's what they call me. the officers. >> in fact, travino told us she couldn't even remember how many times she had been tased. >> my whole back, i have, like, scars. this is a big one. this one's where i could put my finger -- see how big it is? i just...
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so it isn't a responsibility as sheriff of maricopa county.s i am enforcing, i mentioned the two laws we are enforcing, we have an intact before an inherent authority to enforce those laws and we do enforce the bank robberies, atf, fbi, for law enforcement does, enforce federal laws in this country. but as you know much better than me when the federal courts, the district court look at the arizona and so—called sp 1070, the bill which would be new powers for policing and checking immigration status of people, the district court decided that this was fundamentally a federal issue and that it blocked some of the powers that were designed to go to the police here in arizona. that is the district court, it is the p0, i assume, it will go to the supreme court, there has been other rulings that google law enforcement can enforce the federal immigration laws so this is one judge's opinion, it hasn't affected my operations, i'm still to bring the same thing, i've been doing it for 30 years, nothing has changed with me. you of course as sheriff respons
so it isn't a responsibility as sheriff of maricopa county.s i am enforcing, i mentioned the two laws we are enforcing, we have an intact before an inherent authority to enforce those laws and we do enforce the bank robberies, atf, fbi, for law enforcement does, enforce federal laws in this country. but as you know much better than me when the federal courts, the district court look at the arizona and so—called sp 1070, the bill which would be new powers for policing and checking immigration...
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. >> we encounter an iraq war veteran accused of murder inside phoenix's maricopa county jail. >>> aey difference between shooting in jail and prison is that in prison inmates know their fate. >> come get me out. for real. >> they have pled or been found guilty. and with few exceptions, they know their sentences won't change. >> put your hands on the fence. >> in jail, most of the inmates are still awaiting a trial. their futures are in the hands of lawyers, judges and juries. such was the case with clark fish, who we met at the maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona, while he was awaiting trial for murder. >> as a producer, it's challenging to find your characters and to find the important stories in a place like maricopa county with 9,000 inmates. so you're always looking for reasons to talk to people or things that might be interesting. in the case of clark fish, i came across him in a very, very unique way. i was walking past his cell and i saw how his socks had been folded and his socks had been rolled up in a ball with these little smiles. and as a veteran, i knew that's exac
. >> we encounter an iraq war veteran accused of murder inside phoenix's maricopa county jail. >>> aey difference between shooting in jail and prison is that in prison inmates know their fate. >> come get me out. for real. >> they have pled or been found guilty. and with few exceptions, they know their sentences won't change. >> put your hands on the fence. >> in jail, most of the inmates are still awaiting a trial. their futures are in the hands of...
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sure, but it's not your responsibility as sheriff of maricopa county. it is my responsibility. two laws that we are enforcing. we do have inherent authority to enforce federal laws. we do enforce the bank robberies, as fbi, guns, atf, — i can go on and on. so law enforcement does enforce federal laws in this country. but as you know much better than me when the federal courts, the district court looked at the arizona so—called sb 1070, the bill which would have brought in new powers for policing and checking immigration status of people, the district court decided that this was fundamentally a federal issue and that it blocked some of the powers that were designed to go to the police here in arizona. well, that's just the district court. that's going to go to p0. i presume it will go up to the supreme court. there has been other rulings that says that law enforcement can enforce the federal immigration laws. so this is one judge's opinion. it hasn't affected my operations. i'm still doing the same thing i've been doing it for three years. nothing changes with me. you, of course
sure, but it's not your responsibility as sheriff of maricopa county. it is my responsibility. two laws that we are enforcing. we do have inherent authority to enforce federal laws. we do enforce the bank robberies, as fbi, guns, atf, — i can go on and on. so law enforcement does enforce federal laws in this country. but as you know much better than me when the federal courts, the district court looked at the arizona so—called sb 1070, the bill which would have brought in new powers for...
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the maricopa county jail to the arizona state prison system.- >> my dad's an emotional subject. he done what was right. >> a young inmate goes home to the father who turned him in. but on the way, one of our producers has her hands full. >> any time dogs and kids are around on a normal day shooting "lockup" it's kind of a good day. >>> when we took our cameras to to the rural farmlands of southwestern indiana for our "lockup: extended stay" series at the wabash correctional facility we got a unique look into the lives of men who grew up in the small towns that dot america's heartland. few, however, came from the towns any smaller than the one in which wabash is located. >> we're actually driving into carlisle, indiana. we have the town store. but it's actually a really cool little town. it's -- i think it's very typical, small midwest town. this is our lunch spot. >> there's really good baked spaghetti and pizza. that's pretty much all that's on the menu. >> but it's good. >> during our shoot at wabash, we met a young man who appeared typical o
the maricopa county jail to the arizona state prison system.- >> my dad's an emotional subject. he done what was right. >> a young inmate goes home to the father who turned him in. but on the way, one of our producers has her hands full. >> any time dogs and kids are around on a normal day shooting "lockup" it's kind of a good day. >>> when we took our cameras to to the rural farmlands of southwestern indiana for our "lockup: extended stay" series...
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is surprise in maricopa county? caller: it is. host: go ahead. caller: i have been through the jail system. it is torture. i would hope that he would never have to suffer through what he put everybody else through. because it is torture. what he putsu say everybody else through, what you mean specifically? caller: just that it is torture. the jail system is torture. , why can'tconvicted they put him through what he put everybody else through, if he is convicted? it is a shame that we have to suffer. everybody in congress is away with murder, basically. it is despicable. tell a despicable. -- totally despicable. host: what do people in maricopa county think about joe arpaio? him?do people make of caller: everybody that i know, they do not like him. they do not like him at all. he was voted in and voted out now for a specific reason, obvious why. that is all i have to say, thank you. host: asheville, north carolina, joyce on the line for supporters. pardon i support the because this sheriff was just doing his job. if they had not been lawbreakers,
is surprise in maricopa county? caller: it is. host: go ahead. caller: i have been through the jail system. it is torture. i would hope that he would never have to suffer through what he put everybody else through. because it is torture. what he putsu say everybody else through, what you mean specifically? caller: just that it is torture. the jail system is torture. , why can'tconvicted they put him through what he put everybody else through, if he is convicted? it is a shame that we have to...
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but at the maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona, sheriff joe arpaio personally chose the black andte striped uniforms along with the pink underwear and socks to send a message. >> this is joe arpaio's way to express how we are pay our way back to society. the pink is his way to keep us humbled. it's a way to separate us away from regular society. >> put them in pink underwear. because they were smuggling the white underwear out of the jail. that is the official reason. the unofficial reason, they hate pink. you never give them a color they like. why would you give them things they like? >> though generally not allowed, inmates sometimes alter their uniforms to fit their own fashion sense. at the orange county jail in southern california we met a transgender inmate who prefers to be called alexis. >> myself and my celly are dressed as girls and the rest are dressed as guys. >> despite his physical appearance cortez was in fact a male inmate housed in a men's unit. >> if you are in in the process of having a sex change if you have your male genital parts you are considered a male and
but at the maricopa county jail in phoenix, arizona, sheriff joe arpaio personally chose the black andte striped uniforms along with the pink underwear and socks to send a message. >> this is joe arpaio's way to express how we are pay our way back to society. the pink is his way to keep us humbled. it's a way to separate us away from regular society. >> put them in pink underwear. because they were smuggling the white underwear out of the jail. that is the official reason. the...
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. >> former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio said he is not a racist and said he didn't ask for president trump to pardon him, but he is not guilty and the real story will come out soon. he said that he believes a border wall will stop drug traffic from coming into the country. >>> geologists say the danger of a rock fall at yosemite is no greater than usual. one climber was killed and two injured after two sides at el capitan on wednesday and thursday. the one yesterday involved a slab of rock the size of a 36 stor building. it was many times the size of the one on wednesday that killed someone. the rubble broke through the sun roof of an suv and injured jim evans of florida. rock falls happen regularly in the park. 60 were reported last year. >> heating from the sun turned out to be an explanation of some of the rock falls. >> ice and water caused slides expanding and putting pressure on the rock. there were two in a row because when rocks start falling in one area, they're likely to continue coming down. in developing news, fire damage to a tall residential building started an hour ago
. >> former maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio said he is not a racist and said he didn't ask for president trump to pardon him, but he is not guilty and the real story will come out soon. he said that he believes a border wall will stop drug traffic from coming into the country. >>> geologists say the danger of a rock fall at yosemite is no greater than usual. one climber was killed and two injured after two sides at el capitan on wednesday and thursday. the one yesterday...
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. >> former maricopa county sheriff joe ar not a racist and said he didn't ask for president trump to pardon him, but he is not guilty and the real story will come out soon. he said that he believes a border wall will stop drug traffic from coming into the country. >>> geologists say the danger of a rock fall at yosemite is no greater than usual. one climber was killed and two injured after two sides at el capitan on wednesday and thursday. the one yesterday involved a slab of rock the size of a 36 story building. it was many times the size of the one on wednesday that killed someone. the rubble broke through the sun roof of an suv and injured jim evans of florida. rock falls happen regularly in the park. 60 were reported last year. >> heating from the sun turned out to be an explanation of some of the rock falls. >> ice and water caused slides expanding and putting pressure on the rock. there were two in a row because when rocks start falling in one area, they're likely to continue coming down. in developing news, fire damage to a tall residential building started an hour ago on the
. >> former maricopa county sheriff joe ar not a racist and said he didn't ask for president trump to pardon him, but he is not guilty and the real story will come out soon. he said that he believes a border wall will stop drug traffic from coming into the country. >>> geologists say the danger of a rock fall at yosemite is no greater than usual. one climber was killed and two injured after two sides at el capitan on wednesday and thursday. the one yesterday involved a slab of...
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. >> he lost his reelection bid for seventh turn as maricopa county sheriff last november. >>> out of cuba following string of mysterious masonic attacks, 21 have up to 50 attacks. state department warning not to travel to cuba claiming attacks also occurring in hotels. >>> a very forceful message from the superintendent in the air force academy near colorado springs after five candidates woke up to messages calling them to go home and calling them a racial slur. >> if you are outraged by those words you're in the right place. that kind of behavior has no place here or in the united states air force. you should be outraged not only as an airman but as a human being. if you can't treat someone with dignity and respect, then you need to get out. >> the superintendent says he will continue to investigate exactly what happened and who is responsible. >>> you know, there are all kinds of friendships but tonight we share one with a very special bond. these friends crossed paths when one of them had a near fatal car crash, the other person rescued her. their story now from sonoma. >> once th
. >> he lost his reelection bid for seventh turn as maricopa county sheriff last november. >>> out of cuba following string of mysterious masonic attacks, 21 have up to 50 attacks. state department warning not to travel to cuba claiming attacks also occurring in hotels. >>> a very forceful message from the superintendent in the air force academy near colorado springs after five candidates woke up to messages calling them to go home and calling them a racial slur....
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people will focus on trump as it comes right after charlottesville, right after the p pardon of the maricopa sheriff that practiced racial profiles and abused suspected immigrants. i don't think congress can handle it. they could attach it to the debt ceiling, and i think has a result, not only will you have 800,000 plus people put in grave distress, but you'll have employers, universities, communities pretty much up in arms about this. i think it is the worst possible decision at the worth possible time. >> you said the party of lincoln has become the party of charlott charlottesville and arpaio. lindsey graham said i always believed that daca was a presidential overreach, however i understand the plight of the dream act kids who for all practical purposes know no home other than america. shouldn't everyone out there want this to be a legislative action? if it was not a sort of precedent that they want to hand over to a president trump. >> obama did his executive action because congress could not act at the time. i think everyone agrees if it is don't between legislation, it is more sustain
people will focus on trump as it comes right after charlottesville, right after the p pardon of the maricopa sheriff that practiced racial profiles and abused suspected immigrants. i don't think congress can handle it. they could attach it to the debt ceiling, and i think has a result, not only will you have 800,000 plus people put in grave distress, but you'll have employers, universities, communities pretty much up in arms about this. i think it is the worst possible decision at the worth...
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myself of if i was crossing the desert with drugs in my car which i would never do i would avoid maricopa county like the plague we know the economies you talk about economies you're talking the prison economies and you know obviously that there are full fledged economies that exist for trading and getting goods and services but how much the sheer joy actually control of facilitate the economy that is jail yeah absolutely i mean cutting off pornography i mean i when i was there they cut off men a lot they wouldn't allow the men to have catch up you know and so he is really. come down so i you know i don't know what's going on with like drugs or cigarettes or all that but. i mean he yeah you controls everything that goes in or out of there i think a lot a lot harder than other jails well he's the tories for running a tough jail he prides himself on it but how much do you think she believes in corporal punishment yeah i think he said when i asked him why do you treat the men that are still not convicted yet differently and he's like we're not running an airline here we don't have a first cl
myself of if i was crossing the desert with drugs in my car which i would never do i would avoid maricopa county like the plague we know the economies you talk about economies you're talking the prison economies and you know obviously that there are full fledged economies that exist for trading and getting goods and services but how much the sheer joy actually control of facilitate the economy that is jail yeah absolutely i mean cutting off pornography i mean i when i was there they cut off men...
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. >> completely isolated from other inmates, maricopa's four most dangerous women form a notorious sisterhood
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wolf, critics are already lashing out at this decision and pointing out the president pardoned maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio in arizona within the last couple of weeks. sheriff arpaio was essentially convicted in federal court of violating the civil rights of latino people in that state, in that jurisdiction of his. so the question is, why is the president according to critics saying he wants to uphold the constitution when it comes to the d.r.e.a.m.ers but not sheriff arpaio? i assume one the questions asked in the briefing coming up in a few moments. >> and quickly, why were attorney general jeff saessions make the statement? why wasn't the president on television making this announcement? railroad wo >> reporter: wolf that will be a top question at this briefing. why did the president not make this statement? we are told by senior administration officials one reason why the attorney general was sent out there today is because, we heard this from jeff sessions during that statement he gave to the news media. by the way, did not take any questions. that he did not feel, the admini
wolf, critics are already lashing out at this decision and pointing out the president pardoned maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio in arizona within the last couple of weeks. sheriff arpaio was essentially convicted in federal court of violating the civil rights of latino people in that state, in that jurisdiction of his. so the question is, why is the president according to critics saying he wants to uphold the constitution when it comes to the d.r.e.a.m.ers but not sheriff arpaio? i assume one...
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charlottesville, and he pardoned a law enforcement officer who terrorized the latino community in maricopa county, arizona, with unconstitutional raids and enforced detainees into inhumane living situations. joe arpaio is not a good guy, as president trump called him. joe arpaio is the criminal. this president doesn't seem to value let alone embody the principles that america stands for. and now he wants to kick out of the country young people who do value this country, like carlos here. carlos was brought to new mexico from mexico when he was less than 1-year-old. new mexico is the only home he has known. because of carlos' immigration status, his opportunities were limited. he couldn't play sports in school, couldn't go on field trips. even though he pledged allegiance to the united states with his classmates. carlos registered with daca two years ago, and in his words, he was given wings. he is a full-time student at new mexico state university, studying to be a mechanical engineer. he volunteers as a firefighter, he works as a server at a local restaurant, he began a drive to help hurr
charlottesville, and he pardoned a law enforcement officer who terrorized the latino community in maricopa county, arizona, with unconstitutional raids and enforced detainees into inhumane living situations. joe arpaio is not a good guy, as president trump called him. joe arpaio is the criminal. this president doesn't seem to value let alone embody the principles that america stands for. and now he wants to kick out of the country young people who do value this country, like carlos here. carlos...
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in arizona of all places, not just arizona, but maricopa county, sheriff joe's county. had the pleasure of writing on the elevator one day with him, going to lunch, and he was in the back of the elevator. he said, there's one of those liberal judges just got on. i said, if there's anymore fascist on board, please push the lobby button for me. [laughter] we will go to lunch, let's talk about it. the problem is so daunting, the task set for reformers is so vast and difficult. maybe a simpler solution would be to declare the system bankrupt, put it into a bankruptcy type proceeding, chapter 11 may be, reorganization, charge our policymakers with a task on a clean slate board, whiteboard, blackboard, whatever. come up with a new system! what would it look like? where would it start, where would it end, and everything in between. is, in my view, state lawmakers and most federal lawmakers are not going to make those changes and decisions. follow the money! ofil we take big money out state and federal elections and publicly finance those elections, i think that will ofe you a
in arizona of all places, not just arizona, but maricopa county, sheriff joe's county. had the pleasure of writing on the elevator one day with him, going to lunch, and he was in the back of the elevator. he said, there's one of those liberal judges just got on. i said, if there's anymore fascist on board, please push the lobby button for me. [laughter] we will go to lunch, let's talk about it. the problem is so daunting, the task set for reformers is so vast and difficult. maybe a simpler...