marie collins is herself a survivor. she was abused by a priest as a teenager growing up in ireland. in 2014, she he was hand-picked by pope francis to sit on a committee dedicated to the issue. but when faced with resistance to her recommendations from within the vatican, three years later, maria quit and now she advocates for change from the outside. and she's joining me from dublin. marie collins, welcome to the program. you have just listened to our report on the abuse of nuns within the order of st. john in france. you've heard the pope has acknowledged that this went on. you heard cardinal cupich talk about the important and good intentions of the pope in calling this conference. i wondered just your commentary on what you expect to come out of this conference after these -- after this gathering of cardinals and bishops. >> well, i think as you said earlier, the pope has been playing down the expectations for this meeting, but that's not enough. we've had a lot of talk about what needs to be done, what should be do

marie collins joins me now via skype from dublin, ireland. good to see you. well, what's your reaction to what your hearing has come from the summit and the pontiff's words. >> the pope has said there must be an all-out battle against abuse. but when it comes to abuse in the church, he is the one that should be leading the battle. and all we've heard is words. i'm a survivor as well as having worked with the church. what disappoints me is all we got from this summit is more words. we haven't had anything concrete. you know, the vatican stopped the u.s. bishops updating their safeguarding policy back in november, told them to hold it until this summit. and nothing has happened in the summit to justify that stoppage. >> sorry to interrupt, but i think when you say all that has happened, more word service, and the pope in his speech did go beyond the church, even, and, you know, said that abuse is happening within families, schools, athletic communities and digital worlds, you know, offering dangers to young people. is this the pope or the church's attempt at di