. >> look, that doesn't have anything to do about marie har of's comments. i think it had to do with getting to the root causes of what's attracting so many young people to get involved with these sadistic murderous people who hide behind the name islamic and swrooed and all that foolishness. these folks are crazy and you think what is it and you understand they have deep grievances, they have a sense of, i think, jealousy over western progress they have of course troubled economies that are ruled by the royal families that take care of themselves but don't take of their own people. to me you've got to get out of the whack a mole strategy one minute you're fighting al qaeda, next minute isis. you've got to find out what's bringing all these people to such a bloody purpose. >> but it's ideas, juan, it's not poverty. obls and a lot of those 9/11 high-jackers were he will dated -- osama bin laden was quite wealthy. the 9/11 high-jackers had college degrees. i think to had a point it's the ideas. they hate the secular successful west and the only way to counter

she and marie are har of knew their brief. as a fox news reporter wasn't getting the authorized leaks that some other reporters might have. >> it's in secret fox news is not the most popular outlet in the administration. so when you dealt with them any particular edge or blow back? >> no i think we got along pretty well given all circumstances. >> any area in which you fault them, with bill o'reilly, for example? >> sure there was that time when jen and maria ascribed sexism to bill o'reilly. i didn't think there was any basis for it. i think so some occasions giving a thumbs up while smiling about fairly serious matters might not have been well advised, but i think they command the respect of the press corps. >> the comments on we can't win the war militarily, some pundits saying this is jobs for a jihadists, your take. >> i think that this all mostly emanates from marie's interview with chris matthews. and thing chris matthews led the charge in taking the remarks out of context. i think marie's point was eminently sensible w