that's why you see this rift that is possibly going to be exploited by people like marie le pen. lso seeing a backlash against marie le pen with the hash tag, i am ahmed, in honor of the police officer who died on the street. and the french president with his call for a march on sunday bringing together all political parties except the national front of marie le pen, bringing together all communities is very clearly trying to say that he is not going to allow this incident to be used to demonize france's muslims. >> what is the policy prescription of le pen? is it simply a restoration of capital punishment? >> well, that was what she said. because she thinks when there's an atrocity like this there ought to be some means of punishing people, to the utmost degree and also because when you put people in jail in this country, like in most countries, even if you give them life in prison, often they can get out in 20 years, and she doesn't think that should happen. and she knows a lot of french people don't think that should happen. it has to be said the way capital punishment is carri

the national front, the right-wing party, marie le pen, whose father founded this party and brought it into promise unanimous prominence, they will be excluded from the national unity march. for some reasons. >> look at their propaganda. the propaganda is openly racist. it's openly prejudice. it's openly hateful to minorities across france. the national front has absolutely no business being in the european parliament, no business being in the french parliament, no business running a presidential election and no business being at this national unity rally. they are as much of the problem as jihadists are. there are many more national front supporters than jihadists in france. that's the problem. >> let's pick up on something else a more positive note that francois hollande reported. i think something that happened today was incredibly important in terms of the psychology in which this played out. and that was, this came to an end based on the actions of the security forces and it wasn't drawn to a conclusion by the perpetrators. because we know the unpredictability of what this outcome

marie le pen. far right groups have flourished and are doing very very well. even though this has been a unity rally, marine lepen was not specifically invited. she was told she could come if she wants. she is not here. she and her national fund colleagues are marching in other parts of france they say, but this is also a very very sensitive moment in french domestic poll ticks. in germany they have been having weekly anti-islamic demonstrations demonstrations. >> one other symbol is i think appropriate. i was discussing this with a leader of the jewish community here earlier today. two of the heroes of the supermarket attack one of the jewish men who was killed who had tried to wrestle away the gun, he is a hero. also the young muslim employee from mali who tried to rescue people and successful hid 15 of them. i want to go to hala golani at the end of the route. what are you seeing there? >> well it's an extremely dense crowd, jake and christiane. this is the end point as i was saying minutes ago, but it looks very much like it's in full swing. if you're goin

ramifications inside france and outside fronts a, for the popularity of the national front when marie le pensesidential polls for 2017. for other countries like the u.k., as we approach an election? >> le pens has been very discreet over the past 24 hours. she has turned that party into a subtle political machine. she was careful not to intervene straight away. but i think when the shock has subsided, she will start turning up on television and saying that she saw this threat before everyone else. that her party is the only one capable of defending france against this type of threat. and she might see her popularity, which is already at record high levels, grow a bit. but that is not necessarily what will be the case. i think, if she is not subtle enough, if people see this as a very simple political recuperation, it could backfire. i also see president hollande benefiting from this. he tends to do very well in this sort of national -- moments of national importance, national morning. he tends to have the right words, what suits the french people. and it could also help them to an extent. >>

regarding marie le pen.he claims that she was not invited, but no official invitations were issued for the parties. she was received by francois hollande last week after the events at "charlie hebdo." fronds up -- francois hollande made it absolutely clear on friday everybody was welcome and said he would guarantee the security of everyone, including marie le pen. this is an enormous challenge for france's police. can you imagine, more than 50 world leaders? it is absolutely clear that a number of socialist leaders, a number of additions would have felt increasingly uncomfortable walking with marienlenpen -- marie le pen. was it she considered persona non grata? that is what she says. is she exploiting this for political purposes? >> john bowen there are so many issues to talk to and discussed as we look at these pictures from the center of paris where the unity march is taking place, but i want to ask you about france's secular tradition. it is completely detached from religion. that is one of the fundament