right now on to bring it to experts, see that transportation analysts, mary schiavo and captain joseph all strum, a marine a maritime safety management instructor, and mary, let me start with you now that the investigation investigators have more information from boarding the actual ship and getting its data didn't recorder. how will they work to determine exactly what went wrong and who should be held accountable >> well, the ntsb works in work groups and that's the only way to tackle a job. this big, they will call in and include in their investigation many different parties. the parties will be obvious slater, the shipping crew, the harbor pilots. it will be road constructors. it will be bridge experts and they do this through different working groups they have, for example, a recorders group, a human factors group an engineering group, a shipping practices group, and they divide up the work to all these different groups. and they report back together and coordinate. and that's how they get these massive jobs done on this and any other ntsb investigation of this magnitude and then t

mary schiavo, ian robby. thank you to both of you. >> and we're learning new >> details tonight about the two people who survived this terrifying bridge collapse and two other individuals who by a stroke of good fortune, missed the catastrophe by just minutes. danny freeman is out front live from baltimore. danny, what is the latest that you're learning about? what is truly an unbelievable story of human survival? >> yeah briana, the more than we're out here, the more than we learn about not only the stories of survival, but also, you mentioned that those stories that are close calls as well. i mean, when you look at this bridge behind me, are what's left at this bridge behind me, you can imagine that enormous drop, those bitterly cold waters below that violent collapse. and despite all of that, to people who are on that bridge survived it's a miraculous story of survival. we're learning new details about the construction worker who fell more than 185 feet into the water and lived jeffrey pritzker, the execut

now, mary schiavo, former inspector general at the us department of transportation, and ian robbie, who's a maritime i'm law and security expert. mary, we have this new video tonight. quite extraordinary of ntsb investigators on the dali cargo ship. and they're inspecting hazardous materials, they're gathering data. i know you've been able to watch this video, tell us what stands out to you well, what stands out is already they've been able to make a lot of inroads. the ntsb has been able to make inroads and telling us what happened. the y is going to come later, but we now know there was just one minute and 29 seconds from the mayday to get the people off the bridge. we know that once the power went out, the the data recorder did stop recording many parameters, but they were able to tell the speed of the ship when it hit the bridge, seven knots, eight miles an hour and that they do have positioning of the rudder that was still recorded. and of course they had all the voice data that they still have. so that's a good bit of info formation that they have to work with. and they are in the p

well, inside is a different story, isn't it mary schiavo thanks so much. >> can reach out to folks. >> i actually have done that before i flew through to florida years ago and it was hurricane dennis or tropical storm dennis at the time and i don't think the plane should have been flying, but i remember shaking so bad. the lights are going out. people were screaming and i was holding the woman's hand next to me and i was crying yes, i will do that. you're like i've never sitting next to you on a flight, you know that hold your hand. >> yeah. exactly >> what it >> is the latest showdown between former president trump and fulton county district attorney, fani so still ahead, our legal expert weighs in on trump's latest push to get willis kicked off the election subversion case. >> and it was gone in a matter of minutes. the deadly baltimore bridge collapse who's that are catching the eye of a former ntsb investigator. he joins us straight ahead on cnn this morning >> if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst possible thing that could ever happen >> my dad died doing when he's mugged

and marie schiavo, former inspector general with the us department of transportation.ve all of you with us tonight and to have your expertise, your captain mcmann is i think what is remarkable to so many people is how quickly this seemed to have happened that at 01:24 a.m. those lights go out on the ship a minute later, there's thick black smoke coming from the ship, admitted after that, the lights flicker again and then the ship crashes into the bridge. given how quickly it happened, given what we see in that video, captain wanted to tell you about what may have happened well, thanks for having me first. >> i think the biggest takeaway is that the they realized they were having problems with that initial blackout. when you look in the video, you see the ship go dark. so at that moment down in the engine room, alarms are going off, they're trying to go through the blackout recovery, restart everything up the pilot is trying to get information from the catherine of what's going on on the ship. they recover it fairly quickly. i think it's within a minute they get power b

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aviation lawyer and former federal transportation department inspector general mary schiavo says thisystems, is not >> it's not an accident because there's a redundancy and sometimes not just two of everything, sometimes three or more of things. >> so science is on the manufacturers and airlines the strictly follow the rules. tom vacar, ktvu, fox ten california is one step closer to implementing a nation leading law that cuts out single use plastic waste. >> today, cal recycle proposed permanent regulations that would be in place under this bill. it includes goals for producers to reach by 2032, which include spcutting 25% of single use sals and mandating 100% of packaging or service where is recyclable or compostable. the stateúsays less than 9% of plastic is bein& recycled in the united states. >> unemployment is growing here in california as well as here in the bay area. today, the state's employment development department, or edd, released data from january. in san francisco, unemployment rose to 4, spurred by heavy tech layoffs. this is the highest level of unemployment in the ci

as cnn transportation analyst and former inspector general, the department of transportation, mary schiavo. mary, we're looking at these pictures which are really hard to digest, hard to really process what are the questions you have this warning >> well, first and foremost, as in any ship traffic way, navigable waterway, they're usually pilots or tugboats are persons on board to direct the ship so they inquiry from the national transport occasions, safety board and others will start with who was on board, who was in who is commanding the ship, who was in the pilot house? what were they doing? who was the local pilot? the river pilot, to direct them or, were there tugs that we're not at their places. so there's so many questions about the steerage of the ship and then of course they're going to turn and to the bridge. the bridge construction was interesting and us bridge collapses is there are two major causes. one is a ship or barge hitting the bridge. it's happened in many states over the years. and the other is often if the bridge was under work are under construction and certainly they

. >> joining me now for more >> on the investigation is sienna and transportation analysts, mary schiavo. mary, good morning to you. thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you. >> so you're the former inspector general at the department of transportation. you have confronted many a massive transportation crisis in your career can you help us understand what happens next as this turns from a rescue mission to a recovery one >> yes. what happens next is, of course, still they want to recover the remains of those loss, but the investigation gets in engaged full swing today. the ntsb weighted for the coast guard to search the waters for any survivors. and so they had an interviewed the people on the ship are actually hadn't boarded the ship yet to see what the conditions were there and get all the evidence that they can. but today they will do that and that's very important step because ordinarily there the first on the scene there, they're the ones who are responsible for grabs having all the information, getting the information. and this one will of course be a little different than

aviation lawyer and former federal transportation department inspectorc general mary schiavo multipleis not there's a redundancy and sometimes not just two of more of things.etimes three or >> and now thisújust inc united airlines flight 821 from san francisco, down to mexico city reported a hydraulic problem in spflight. it is now landed safey at los angeles international airport. but once again, a problem case successfully worked to get them safely on the ground. to some pt it in perspective, it's a very, very small number of flights. back to you, tom. >> thank you. well, a pretty morning used a in alameda this truck to smash intoúa gas station and steal atm. take a look at the damage here. it happened around 430 i'll one ste bridge side shoppingc center on blanding avenue. the store was not open at the time, but some customers tell us they hear about all over the bay area. see they ripped it out and the spcashier, he was telling me tht the guys, they backed the truck in through the doors hooked a cable around it, and then just yanked it out and took off. it's kind of sad to say, bu

aviation lawyer and former federal transportation department inspector general mary schiavo says thissl is not an accident. sp>> it's not an accident becaue there's a redundancyúand sometimes not just two of everything, sometimes three or more of things. so science is on the passenger side so long as the manufacturers and airlines strictly follow the rules. >> tom two news. >> several city leaders in san francisco want to treasure isla, right built or under construction on this piece of land. andc the mayor wants to make sure this progress continues. tuesday mayor breed andúsupervisor matt dorsey introduced legislation that would bring 1000 new homes, along with public amenities and parks, to the island.úeventually, island to h0 units of housing byc 2030. treasure island is the single largest source of new housing in spthe bay area. >> well, a beautiful day today across the entire bay area. lots of the rain continues. inúfact, you probably noticed temperatures warming up a lot to 60s and even a few low 70s sprinkled on this map here out towards san rafael and san days of the week. it'

aviation lawyer and former federal transportation department inspector general mary schiavo says thist an accident.t& >> it's not an accident because there's a redundancy and sometimes not just two of everything, sometimes three or more of things. >> so science is on the passenger side. as long as the manufacturers and the airlines strictly follow the rules, which they don't always do. tom baker, ktvu, fox two news. >> tom,úbefore we let you go, a spof these very scary incidents? ñ> well, aging aircraft. and the older these airplanes are, the more likely they're going to have problem. while many of the early ones are retiredl a lot of them are still 2025 years old. so that can be on top of that, there's intense. competition between boeing and airbus for sales. so they have to build as many as they can, take as many orders as they can, can. of course, according to the rules in order to make money. and then finally,úthere's wallt& street, the intense competition that is generatedúby that on wall street is from investor pressure to money and all the sales they can. and what happens spis

cnn transportation analyst, the former inspector general with the department of transportation, mary schiavo. mary, thank you for coming on. so the airline let's walk through this a bit. some of the more some of the new details we're getting, the airline is calling it a technical event. this passenger that we just heard, speaking to cnn's erin burnett, says that the pilot reported to him, his gauges went blank. then the plane took a dive. and then the pilot told the these passengers that briefly after the dive, the gauges came back on and everything went back to normal. what kind of malfunction could this sound like to you? >> well, it sounds like what the pilot described a technical malfunction. now, ordinarily, when something like this happens in flight, particularly over a, you know, an ocean, they say it's clear air turbulence or turbulence that isn't visible on the weather radar. and usually that's what this gets blamed on. but by saying it was a technical event and the instruments briefly went blank and that he lost control of the plane, three huge clues here that does suggest there wa

well, that's a very high failure rate, international aviation attorney mary schiavo is the former turnversees boeing and the airline industry. they also have to see that boeing is doing all of the assembly precise. >> so, you know, steps and procedures that are approved, plug was installed is missing or never existed, requiring that documentation is part of the certification process, schiavo says that the faa may soon find itself under investigation. did the faa do everything it was supposed to do in overseeing boeing? and has the government been robust enough in its oversight? >> a few years ago, in the wake of two 737 crashes that killed 346 people to avoid criminal prosecution back then for those crashes, boeing agreed not to mislead, deceive or defraud the criminal investigationc now. >> i think it's unacceptable. >> i mean, it's a huge loss of confidence. >> the myers live in saint helena. >ñ you get on the plane counting that the steps have been taken and the maintenance is done and everybody's safety.ownership of >> when the event happened, i just was like, okay, that's one of t

. >> well, that's a very high failure rate, international aviation attorney mary schiavo is a former general of the us department of transportation that oversees the faa, which in turn oversees boeing and the airline industry. they also have to see that boeing is doing all of the assembly in the exact and precise. so, you know, steps and procedures that are approved, documentation of how the door plug was installed is missing or never existed. requiring that documentation is part of the certification process. >> schiavo saysúthe faa may soon find itself under investigation. >> did the faa do everything it was supposed to do in overseeing boeing? and has the government been robust enough in its oversight? >> a few years ago, in the wake of two 737 crashes that back the spcrashes, boeing agreed not to mislead, deceive or defraud the faa. that is why boeing is under criminal investigation it's una. >> i mean, it's a huge loss of confidence. >> the myers live inc saint helena. you get on the plane counting that the steps have been taken and everybody's takig ownership of everybody's safe

internationally respected aviation lawyer mary schiavo is also a former inspector general of the us department

. >> well, that's a very high failure rate, international aviation attorney mary schiavo is a formerf the us department of transport nation that oversees the faa, which in turn oversees boeing and the airline industry. they also have to see that boeing is doing all of the assembly in the exact steps and procedures that are approvedl documentation of how the door plug was installed is missing or never existed. >> really. >> requiring that documentation is part of the certification process. >> schiavo says the faa may soon find itself under investigation. >> did the faa do everything itg boeing? and has the governmentc been robust enough in its oversight? >> a few years ago, in the wake of two 737 crashes that killed 346 people to avoid criminal prosecution back then for those mislead, deceive or defraud the faa. thatúis why boeing is under criminal investigation now. >> i think it's unacceptable. >> i mean, it's a huge loss of confidence. >> lisa myers live in saint helena. >> you get on the plane counting that the steps have been taken and the maintenance is done and everybody's taki

internationally respected aviation lawyer mary schiavo is also a former inspector general of the us departmenttransportation, which oversees the federal aviation administration and the airline industry. >> it's a very significant event . fortunately, it is, you know, rare and often it comes with older planes to get to osaka. >> the plane was load of fuel ad 48,000 gallons,úenough to fill five semi tanker fuel trucks. >> it has been cleared for a visual approach. >> another problem on landing after the short flight to l.a, there was still more than 40,000 gallons of fuel on board, makin5 miles an hour. >> looks to be pretty uneventful. thank god. >> the greatest danger landing spthat heavy is risking, however unlikely that more wheels will come off or collapse. >> oh, wow, there it is. wow. tl airliners, is so over built to handle even rough landings. further loss or collapse was a very low risk. >> there's a redundancyc and sometimes not just two of everything, sometimes three or more of things, but the redundancy in this case of the wheels is you do have other wheels you can land on while l.e

well that's a very high failure rate, international aviation attorney mary schiavo is the former inspector general of the us department of transportation that oversees the faa, which in turn oversees boeing and the airline industry. >> they also have to see that boeing isúdoing all of the assembly in the exact and precise. so, you know, steps and procedures that are approved, documentation of how the door plug was installed is missing or never existed, and requiring that documentation is part of the certification process inside the hangar situation. what we have is a situation hammered, and then on top of that, there's this other problem. so southwest says that it's going to reduce its capacity for failure to get enough airplanes because they've had to slow down production. and united says it's not going to hire as many people for the very same reason boeing has its work aircraft maker in the world. now, back to you.n about that. >> okay. and certainly as you just mentioned, i mean, we knew alaska and united that fly the 737 max nine were greatly affected obviously. but as you talked about

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let's talk a little bit more about this now, a cnn transportation analysts, mary schiavo, she served this inspector general for the apartment of trash cans protection, and mary ships managed by synergy marine group. we're involved in at least three deadly incidents since 2018. this is a new detail that we have learned is that unusual or is that an unfortunately common occurrence in this line of work? >> well, in line and this line of work, it's common what you look for us to see if there's a pattern, if all the prior incidents are of the same, if they were continually hitting things running a ground, how having what's called an alice and event, which is what this is, or if they're different, sometimes it's crew injury, sometimes i'm did said difficulties with other parts of the ship. sometimes it's difficult, difficulties with the port. and these seem to be different kinds of incidents, not all the same. it's not always running around. there was one incident where they hit a birthing dock and number of years ago, but the ship was repaired after that so there's no common thread to all

let's ask mary schiavo about the process of investigating an incident like this as jennifer homendy said, mary, she said, quote, the ntsb doesn't speculate we provide facts this is an enormous seen with a lot of folks that they have to interview. a lot of information to process. what is that going to be like >> well, that's a really good point that she made because one of the criticisms of investigators bu the ntsb or the fbi or anyone conducting an investigation is investigator bias. and if you speculate early on, they say that could cause you to see facts certain ways. and so this is how the ntsb operates. they do we tried to stick to the facts they will have opinions at the end of the investigation, at the end of the investigation, they make recommendations and they really do put forth a lot of opinions, et cetera. but at this stage it's all about the facts and so then the next thing she mentioned, which they're forming tonight are the various operational groups and these are really important because because that's how the ntsb finishes a huge investigation like this. and they do it b

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ask cnn transportation analyst and former inspector general at the department of transportation mary schiavo, what could it have been? when you look at the scenario, we don't have all the facts, we don't have all the details, but we have a few things like the lights were flickering on this cargo ship before it hit this pylon, it was sort of moving to one side. it should have been in more in the middle. when you look at this, what are you thinking could have occurred here? >> well, when i look at it and also with the great information peep just gave us. i mean, those are really important clues. it says to me that indeed there was something on this ship that caused steering problem because river pilots are highly trained individuals. they know the channels. there's an old saying, safe passage requires local knowledge. in the maritime industry and they had that they had that on board. you don't get out of the channel when you're doing a maritime passage because you could run a ground, not just you could hit get something had a bridge, but the pilot the pilot on that ship would have known this w