hogart and with marija:.getting any deal at all by the deadline, the end of the year 2020? veryt: it will be difficult. boris johnson saying the u.k. doesn't want special treatment. that is probably the first time in four decades. the problem is that they will get special treatment from the e.u.. andanada, you're far away care about subsidies who might have an advantage over europe. the e.u. cares a lot about the level playing field relative to a country that is very close, next door, and hence, the eu will not offer generalist terms that it would offer too far away countries to u.k., which has said from the very beginning under johnson that it wants to deviate from eu rules, where the risk of a singapore upon thames is there. the other question we need to ask ourselves is, does boris johnson want to leave under dp uto agreement -- under wto agreement/ -- agreement? holger: i don't think he does. the canada minus will probably not be ready by the end of the year. few negotiations afterward. marija: i don't di