marilyn bergman gives a thumbs- up to a hip-hop. i think it is new for a lot of people. >> talk about love of words and experimentation with sound. i don't know of anything else being written in popular music. >> i think that there are two books have been written recently. he is the best there is. in the creative process, in the riding, even though he is about the theater, he and his message, they are so wonderfully instructive. so important for young songwriters. for any writer. ahead look where it comes from. ahoy it is the new and the old testament. >> it is true, and she is right about hot music. the thing that we have to get back to haunt of the mentioned it, is morality. melody is not where we should have its. in is gone, for the most part. and we have to have that back. >> whenever i am in town anywhere ha, ha i will run past everybody else to get to them because i can't wait to give the mug and tell them how much i appreciate them. it is not just your gift, it is rare to meet people who are still so in touch with humanity an

tavis: what a pleasure to welcome howl and marilyn bergman, she was talking about her granddaughter. riding about her grandbaby that i adore. over the course of their career, 53 of their years as husband and wife, they have teamed up on some of the most memorable songs of all time including classics from barbara streisand like the way we were and you don't bring me flowers, earning 69 hawker nominations, and a slew of other words including an induction into the songwriters hall of fame. i am honored after all these years to finally have you on this couch. >> we were on the couch of years, but somewhere else. >> everytime i see them anywhere in town, i would run across everybody, run across everybody, i'll always interested to learn more and listen more and love more. you are wonderful and special people. thank you for finally getting on this couch. let's deal with it first in a move on, how did barbara streisand become your views -- muse? how did that happen? >> we have a history together. we knew when to hear her saying when she was 18 years old. a composer that groot funny girl for