tom: thank you so much, marilyn watson of blackrock. important thing, this is how economists look at yield. the series goes back 70 years, and the move up here to 2.75% is possibly the greatest standard deviation move higher during the great moderation, which means it is really a test of where we are in the move from volker, the 40 move of this great moderation. lisa: how can we look at a new higher-yielding regime when we talk about yields only at the highest since 2019, but really edging up to some of the great moderation highs that we have seen? remember, we were saying that yields could not go that high because something would break from all the debt that has been incurred. no one is talking about that. a lot of this has to do with the momentum, the strength in the economy that people had perhaps not expected in the past. tom: i want to go to your wells fargo comment in the report. people are still enthused by banks even though there's the gloom of recession. kailey: we will see how much that holds up when we start to get earnings.