, well, probably, after all, he was repelled by the fact that when he studied himself, when marina grigorievnaow viktor nikolayevich would say something then, what do you think, that's in modern figure skating. what time do parents bring their kids to the skating rink? now is the most optimal age, because 4 years old, probably 4 years old, but that is, some 3 years old children are amazing, as if developed, yes, that is, they understand. they are talking to the coach. they move well, that is, well , everything is relative, that is, individually, of course. for those who have just joined us, let me remind you that we are visiting the most mysterious person of russian figure skating is a member of the eteri dahlia team, tutberidze sergey viktorovich dudakov. i always have a question. only one at all to our team. yes to uh tim tutberidze, so-called, yes. how can you help an athlete to overcome this fear, for example, before a quadruple jump? that is, how can you motivate it, how do you do it? well, as if there is no motivation, that is, we let everything down , not only me, that is, these are the