. >> joining me, mario diaz ballard from florida, duncan hunter. president, he says this is not amnesty, says it is the right thing to do. is it? >> well, first off, john, great to be with you and with my great friend, mario diaz ballard, great representative from florida. it is amnesty. esque disingenuous when he says that, it is an amnesty, and he is making it harder for himself and harder for this immigration fix to actually happen through u.s. congress the way it is supposed to. the reason we have this problem now, period, is because our nation's borders are not secured. if you have secured nation's borders, mario and i might be on the same side in this. i might say all right, not a bad step, but the nation's borders are not secure. you can't promise this won't have to happen every other year to accommodate all of the folks that come here illegally, so by doing this, he has messed up the process, and he also made in my opinion a kind of permanent sub class of people that are not trying to get citizenship, but are now here in america legally for