. >> joining us to examine the coverage this gut-wrenching story, in new york, marisa guthrie, columnist for "the hollywood reporter." eric degans, critic for "the st. petersburg times." in washington, david zerwick, for "the baltimore sun." this is a sensational, sad, and sickening story. television is organized around the big get, even if the people who are gotten don't have that much to say. >> you're right, howie. that's part of the problem. we judge tv journalism by -- i don't even like the term "get." i really don't. but i would have to disagree in this respect. i thought bob costas' interview was important. i don't agree about the cbs news. i think that was just a couple of words. but costas did illicit something in there, and he did it with really some superb interviewing. he pushed just enough without sort of hectoring sandusky. and the admissions -- at first sandusky said no, i'm innocent. then he said, innocent of everything, in a good way. sandusky said, well, i touched a leg, i did this -- it's not what you thought you saw. that was really good. i think costas' interview was