. >> before you think you have to be a celebrity chef to go with a less meat diet, meat mark bikman, noted foodie for "the new york times." he's ought to prove that anyone can easily and affordably eat less meat as he does. >> how do we get past the thing that what we believe that vegetables are boring? >> combining vegetables with meat makes them more interesting. this is how people ate. meat and fish were treasures, treats. he gave me a lesson in less-meat cooking. he works up a pork and beans male, but light on the pork. >> how much healthier is this? >> it's lower in fat, no question. it's higher in micro nutrients. >> reporter: but will it be satisfying to a long-time meat eater like me? >> i enjoyed that. >> reporter: he's also looking for a little bit of pork. >> this is amazing. >> reporter: chorizo in this case, while eating at a mexicante keela bar. >> this is a corn tamaly. >> reporter: hidden deep inside is a piece of pork sausage. >> still very healthy. in proportion, the chorizo was four parts corn, one part chorizo. >> reporter: sosa said he felt different with less me