i welcome any opportunity to talk about justice with mark bookman. mark is a good friend for a long time. he's done great work, as a public defender and director of the atlantic center. we will talk about that for a minute. claire, i want to thank you too. i spent many wonderful evenings in the bookstore when i was in cambridge and appreciate this opportunity to talk to mark. as claire just said, 12 essays that mark has written about different aspects of the death penalty, about racism, about the lawyers assigned sometimes to defend people, about the judges who judge these cases other aspects of the book. before we talk about that, mark, i thought maybe i would ask you about your time as a public defender there in philadelphia and a lot of people may not realize how much the death penalty, how often it was [inaudible] at one time, how often it was imposed. the d.a., later the chief justice was there. maybe talk about that for a minute? >> sure, you know, philadelphia's been a hotbed of death penalty activity for decades really, and it started before r