your friend mark brunette produces it. it is an unbelievable success. more than 10 million people watched last week's episode. nearly 14 million watched the debut. why do you think it's been so successful? >> well, i think, jake, a lot of people, there are a lot of people of faith still in our country and when somebody takes a step of faith like mark and roma did people want to get behind it and see good, quality, you know, production of something that's, you know, so true to -- dear to all of our hearts and that is the scripture and the bible. >> did you hear about this curfuffle about the actor who was cast as satan bearing a resemblance in some people's minds to president obama? i'm not sure what you made of that. >> yeah, i did. i kind of feel like when i was talking to mark and roma, i felt it was nonsense as well. people can draw funny conclusions, but, you know, there's no more kind people than mark and roma. i think it was just the fact -- you know, the fact that he played satan before in other series kind of shows you it wasn't something they s