so, i had a relationship with somebody called mark cassidy. i knew him as mark cassidy.on politics and antiracist politics, antifascist politics. and i thought we were very much in love. he disappeared from my life in 2000, in spring 2000, and it didn't add up. just almost like overnight? every one of these officers had an exit strategy that we now know, which was to have a breakdown, an emotional breakdown. so there was a bit of a build—up to that breakdown, but then in the spring of 2000, yeah, he left a note on the table and he disappeared. he came back for ten days and then he disappeared, and i've never seen him since. you're in a situation where, actually, you might have had children with the man called mark cassidy. yes, i desperately wanted children with mark. i met him when i was 29, he left me when i was 34. we were in relationship counselling for a year. and the reality was, he was married with his own children at the same time as he was in a relationship with me. i think it was possibly one of the only decent things he did, which was to not have children with

grand jury with a highlighter and used that as one of the bases on which to question mark meadows like you said, jake. cassidyve us testimony about various things she observed firsthand and various conversations she had with mark meadows and there were other critical conversations that cassidy hutchinson testified about that happened right before january 6th where she said meadows went and met with the president. now, i wasn't in there for that conversation, but meadows told me that's what was said or meadows didn't tell me much about it. go through each of those as a prosecutor and say we've pierced executive privilege. you cannot hide behind that. tell us what you and donald trump discussed in the white house or elsewhere in those crucial days and hours leading up to january 6th. >> let's bring in former justice department official tom dupree to the conversation. tom, mark meadows testified according to "the new york times." we don't know specifically when this was. if you were a prosecutor, what would you want mark meadows to tell you go either the january 6th investigation or the secret documents, top sec

. >> let's talk about mark meadows, joyce. cassidy hutchinson had damning testimony about him.of the people who thought he needs a pardon. he with will put this up. the classified documents, january 6, georgia election. he set up the call in which donald trump said, get me 11,000 x number of votes. is he somebody who in theory is a witness or maybe was a potential target? where does he stand here? could he still be someone who might also get indicted, because he is seemingly involved in all the things? >> right. that's a question that's between meadows, his lawyers and the justice department. often as a prosecutor, you sit down with an individual who is involved in crime and you give them that choice. do you want to be a defendant or do you want to be a witness? that's the position that meadows is in. joy, what i remember hitting me so hard during the january 6 committee hearing was the testimony from cassidy hutchinson about mark meadows' burning documents in his fireplace, in his white house office. that's a remarkable, remarkable piece of incriminating information about mark

this is cassidy hutchinson on that. >> what was mark's reaction, mr.dows' reaction, to this list of weapon that people had? >> when tony and i went in to talk to mark that morning, mark was sitting on his couch and on his phone which is something typical. it was like what you know, informed him like this is how many people outside with mags right now. this is how many weapons possible. he listed more weapons out there, i just don't recall. and gave him a brief but concise explanation, but also fairly thorough. and i remember distinctly mark not looking up from his phone. i remember tony finishing his explanation. and it takes a few seconds for mark to say something. i was, sir, mark, did you hear him? and mark then chimed in, like, all right, anything else still looking down at his phone. and tony looked at me and i looked to tony, and tony said, no, sir, do you have any questions? he's like, what are you hearing? i looked at tony, and i said he just told what you was happening. he said, yeah, i know. then he looked and said have you talked to the pres

committee was able to develop so much of that evidence through the text and through someone mark meadows called cass. cassidyr witnesses. the committee developed evidence that it was mark meadows who said this. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. the insurrectionists when they chanted "hang mike pence." do you think squarely against him, regarding the violence? >> well, assuming that he has testified fully and truthfully, if cassidy hutchinson is to be believed, and we have no reason the disbelieve. >> her in any way. she had no motive or incentive to lie and she seemed to be an entirely credible witness. then i imagine donald trump should be very afraid of what mark meadows is testifying about, because he would have been right there in the center of a lot of conversations, and he would have been right there hearing exactly what donald trump's designs were for january 6th. but i'm convinced from all of the evidence we got, both direct testimony and circumstantial evidence, that donald trump went to sleep on the night of january 5th, thinking he would figure out a way to maintain this hold on the p

you will recall that cassidy hutchison quoted mark meadows to the effect of president trump was not trying ongoing insurrection that has laid siege to the capital. you will recall some awkward questioning of the white house, counsel pat cipollone where liz cheney said to him was everyone in the white house interested, essentially, and stopping the insurrection? he said yes, i can't think of anybody who wasn't. and then he was asked a question i think by adam shift including the president? and then cipollone said well she was referring to the staff, and she said no, i was referring to anyone in the white house, and he turned nervously to his lawyer to try to determine how he should answer and you just said well, you know, that is covered by attorney client privilege, and i was talking about the staff. so there are clearly people who understand what donald trump's determination and intent were during that three hour period, when the commander-in-chief just went awol. nobody heard from him at the army. nobody heard from him the navy, marines, the joint chief of staff, the d. c. police, the ca

that, afternoon, dozens of powerful people were texting mark meadows, desperately trying to get him to get donald trump to call off the rioters. cassidy hutchison was one of mark meadows senior aides. oen on that day, there were several conversations that mark meadows had with donald trump. she doesn't know what was said. you know who does? mark meadows. also, one more place that mark meadows pops up, we remember the infamous phone call he made to the georgia secretary of state. trump asked him to just find votes for him. guess who else was on that phone call? mark meadows. he introduces the participants. we don't know what he testified about. let's remember, meadows was the chief of staff when the white house was being packed up and he was a key laiaison between the white house and the archives. he knows what was packed, classified and declassified. >> he's like the forest gump of every investigation going on. along the lines though, the justice department had to fight for this testimony, right? >> they sure did. donald trump tried to block this testimony. he claimed executive privilege. he said, wait a second, these are conversation

actions surrounding the violent insurrection that took place at the capitol and recall cassidy hutchinson quoted markeadows to the effect president trump was not trying to stop the ongoing insurrection that had laid siege to the capitol. you'll recall some awkward questioning of the white house counsel pat cipollone where liz cheney said to him was everyone in the white house interested essentially in stopping the insurrection, and he said, yes, i can't think of anybody he wasn't. and he was asked the question i think by adam schiff of the president and she said, she was referring to the staff, and she said, no, i was referring to anyone in the white house. and he turned to his lawyer to determine how he should answer and he said, well, that's covered by attorney-client privilege and i was talking about the staff. so there clearly are people who understand what donald trump's determination and intent were during that 3-hour period when the commander in chief just went awol. nobody heard from him at the army, nobody heard from him in the navy, marines, the joint chief of staff, d.c. police, capitol po

but you'll recall from the january 6th hearings, cassidy hutchinson recording in a lot of different ways that mark meadows was really privy to what was going on with donald trump. >> and also cassidy hutchinson's testimony was so stunning to your committee, and she was just kind of an ear witness and an eyewitness to a couple of things. she was adjacent to mark meadows. mark meadows would have seen everything or heard, certainly, exponentially more than she did. >> and he intimated to her at numerous points that donald trump wanted to keep the insurrection going. he didn't want to interfere. and of course we know through his inaction that he did not operate like the commander in chief. he did not get in touch with the armed forces. he did not get in touch with the local police. he did not activate the national guard. but what we need is more intd cations of what he was affirmatively saying during that time. and undoubtedly, mark meadows was in a position to know. >> do you think, if he was offered a deal and he took it, do you think that would have been a good move by this special counsel? >> well

i think mark meadows is exceptionally important in the january 6th investigation. in addition to the clip you just played, from cassidy hutchinson, talking about some of the things that mark meadows had access to, remember, there was also her testimony where she talked about how he was even communicating with the willard hotel war room guys on january 5th about what was gonna happen the next day. i think mark meadows is a really important key to the january 6th case. frankly, was kind of a last piece that seemed necessary for jack smith to hear. we've been talking a lot about the eminence of the mar-a-lago indictment. i'm now thinking the january 6th indictment is just as a minute. >> holy cow, michael, mark meadows attorney did not confirm or deny the testimony. but he did say that his client, quote, has maintained a commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so. to me, there's a lot of meaning in every single word there. what stands out to you in that statement? >> so, a statement like that, in a normal criminal investigation, that doesn't involve donald trump is not that helpful. because it

6th committee discovered text messages sent during and following the meeting by cassidy hutchinson, the assistant to markho testified live before the committee hearing in june, describing the meeting as unhinged. she also snapped this photograph of mark meadows escorting rudy giuliani from the white house to make sure he did not get back into the mansion. you tweeted, quote, somehow the committee testimony featured live underplayed how crazy that december 18th meeting was. how was it underplayed? >> because donald trump faded into the background as this was all being described. one of the ways in which donald trump has escaped a lot of accountability over time is he gets people fighting with each other, and that's what people focus on. he considered extreme, really unprecedented actions. now, he didn't take them, but he was unwilling to foreclose options until the last possible second no matter how extreme and -- and potentially dangerous they were. >> i remember talking to you after that meeting, and you were shaking. >> i was. and it was, frankly -- it took a little bit to process exactly what had happ

they were in the white house on december 18th, cassidy hutchinson, the aide to mark meadows, sent a textsage saying the oval office is unhinged and even took a picture of mark meadows escorting rudion giuliani out because there was talk about seizing election machines. rudy giuliani was that central figure and he was the personal lawyer to donald trump at that time. he knows an awful lot. he's been defiant they were in the right, but that's why jack smith is likely going back to him a second time. >> is rudy a target or a witness? >> that's a good question. i'm not aware whether he's a target in this investigation or not. we know he also went before the fulton county district attorney and is potentially a target down there as well. >> okay, and fani willis' investigation. michael, what do you expect the special counsel's office will ask brad raffensperger? >> well, i'm glad to be with you today. i think this is just sort of belt and suspenders for the special counsel. there is no shortage of public statements made by the former secretary of state or the secretary of state here about form

we didn't have mark meadows but we had cassidy hutchinson and ben williamson and pat cipollone and otherscertainly believe the witnesses before the select committee testified truthfully, it's only going to get stronger. you're going to fill those holes that we had to build around with direct first-hand evidence, which makes this a stronger case. >> when you see the 39 or 49-page indictment jack smith brought against donald trump in the mar-a-lago case and his -- his lies or almost pithy rachel maddow calls it the neenor neenor factor, donald trump may have known more about the intimate handling of classified documents, and anyone running for president wasn't running for re-election. how do you think trump's own words might be used against him if jack smith pursues the same four crimes you referred to doj? >> yeah, look, the best friend of a prosecutor is an unscrupulous target or criminal defendant who can't stop talking whether it's talking outside of the courtroom or on the witness stand. and that's what we're dealing with here. every time he's interviewed about the specific allegations

horsford: i want to especially recognize team captain mark stone and head coach bruce cassidy who celebrate one year on the job today. congratulations go to the m.v.p. and winner of the conn smythe trophy, an original golden knight, jonathan marshaseau. nevadans are beaming with pride over our stanley cup champions today. i know that that will be with us for the weeks and months and years to come. i look forward to getting back to the district and celebrating our nhl champions. go, knights, go. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from tennessee seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. rose: madam speaker, the securities and exchange commission not the social and environmental commission has proposed a rule that would require small farmers in america who sell their products to the public at large and large public companies to potentially have to calculate and report their total climate related risk, includi

cassidy. >> thank you all. senator, mark wayne had to leave. he finished. he submits articles for the record on that behalf. >> something was brought up that was very uncomfortable. about how children were being judged by the color of skin and. not by the content of character, and a couple of things he asked to submit showed that was not a one off. it also -- i want to comment on this. i will be quick. but it also introduces the one to four-year-old to the concept of transgender is him with multiple things in their to promote the aspect. this is your organization. our parents informed. you recommend to those that they inform with the content of the material? >> i'm not looking at what you are looking at, but resources have been used read >> answer my question. my question is, do you recommend that the people using your material tell the parent of the content of the material, the children will have one to four euros to be exposed. >> resources for early childhood education help ensure that -- you are speaking past my question. >> they are all done in partner

cassidy hutchinson said. she was trying on january 6th to get mark meadows to do something, to get mark meadows to act. he seemed like sort of catatonic. and saying, well, donald trump doesn't want to do anything. he seems to been the ultimate on the rudy giuliani scale. the fact he's cooperating could mean maybe he doesn't want to go to jail. >> this guy was a weather vein. he was telling people, he was telling people what they wanted to hear. he was telling some people, he was telling, he'll calm down. he'll settle down and accept the results of the election. other people, he was saying we'll fight this to the very end. he's not a strong-willed character, which means i just don't think he's the type who is going to want to, as you point out, go to jail for donald trump. >> let me ask you a political question. you now have a number of candidates jumping in, one, ron desantis, has essentially said i would pardon him. >> you didn't think that was churchillian? >> so robotic and weird. >> fight the woke on the beaches, fight them in the air. somebody wrote that speech for him. he clearly thinks it's geni

cassidy. thank you very much to katie greifeld, process at reporter for bloomberg news for joining us. that bloomberg invest, golfer michelle wi is setting our jason kelly and markatrick off. wi says she was shocked by the pga merger news this week. she added it was wrong to leave out the players. you can watch this on live go. let's listen in for a bit. >> they made about $65 million. rob made $1 million. that was not really right. it is not about ethics. it's about trying to provide people like michelle or rob the resources and the access. ♪ jon: this is "bloomberg markets ." time for the stock of the hour. we are watching carvana. shares of the retailer getting a lift next to a well received financial forecast. that does not mean the company is selling more cars. they are selling more of the loans generated for customers. doing that can boost profit per vehicle sold, at least in the short term. a heavily shorted stock is getting a big pop today. matt: this is a stock that's incredibly volatile as well. it often gets either a big pop or a big drop. it is when i think is still interesting, especially to retail investors. you were talking about gamestop. this al

cassidy hutchinson's testimony. that was riting testimony. but often she was saying, well, this person contacted markn the room when mark was talking to so and so. she was an assistant to mark. mark, mark meadows. that's the guy that we're hearing from here. i think he is at the center of everything. not only he was the white house chief of staff, traditionally a great keeper for the president, fwrufrp was not using text messages and emails. all that was going through meadows. really any thought there was on sixth was going through meadows at that time he was going to be the one who was, you know, hearing from people who were potentially in contact with those who were starting the capital. he's also the person dealing with the white house lawyers, right? don mcgahn was ultimately there in his office. excuse me, not don mcgahn. pat cipollone was in his office. >> replacement at white house counsel. >> he's also the person who would be shepherding them out and documenting at mar-a-lago. aside from the tape we heard about, this recording recently, i think it's really a central witness and a witness who

transcripts released by the committee were new bits of information, including cassidy hutchinson's claim that she saw trump's chief of staff markition. >> even richard nixon didn't burn the tapes. there was a gap, but he didn't burn the tapes. >> also in those pages, claims from hutchinson that pmeadows told the president he lost the 2020 election, despite what he was saying publicly. does the president really think he lost, hutchinson asks meadows on one occasion. he says, you know, a lot of times he'll tell me he lost but he wants to keep fighting it. how much the committee's hearings and findings have impacted the country's view of trump remains unclear. >> i think the january 6th hearings actually presented a pretty concise case and i do think it got through to voters, and i think it's partly because it was trump's own appointees, republican appointees who they used to testify against him. whether that lingers in voters' minds i think is a real open question. >> i don't think that they have wounded him in a sense that they have changed a lot of minds. his supporters either don't care or still believe what he says which is t

cassidy hutchinson was a star witness. indeed there are reports that jack smith's probe intensified after hearing so much from this mark meadows aide. >> is it your understanding that president trump asked mark meadows to speak with roger stone and general flynn on january 5th in. >> mr. meadows did complete both a call to mr. stone and general flynn the evening of the 5th. mr. meadow his a conversation with me where he wanted me to work with secret service on a movement from the white house to the hotel so he could attend the meeting or meets with mr. giuliani and his associates in the board room. he didn't look up from his phone and said something to the effect of, things might get real, real bad on january 6th. >> things might get real bad. they did. when the violence broke out and a lawyer, pat cipollone, rushed into mark meadows' office trying to get the president to stop the ongoing attacks, the horror of what you see on the screen, which was scarier at the time because they didn't know how many murders it would end with or whether politicians would be assassinated or whether mike pence would be stomped into great damage

we know that cassidy hutchinson's dramatic testimony, today is the one-year anniversary of her dramatic testimony. had a lot of ties to markdows, to all the individuals in there. they are the hub from which the spokes that plug into the extremist groups themselves as well as the president's words and desire to go down to the capitol. just talk about why that might be of interest to jack smith. >> yeah, you've been listening to andrew weissmann, he's totally right. it's that kind conspiracy where someone's in the center and everybody is joined. as i said, giuliani is everywhere and the willard forms this kind of war room that extends all across january 6th. i think the immediate focus is the electors, and which maybe brings in mike pence. but i want to zero in on this word proffer because it's a term of art that prosecutors know and it illuminates, i think, the false impression that they're trying to make that, you know, it's just rudy has refound religion and is coming in with law enforcement to cooperate. it is proffer session, he comes in with his lawyer. his lawyer says this is what my guy would tell you, and then they