i could see his voice resonating in the microphone as i've got back to the last, mark cuba for the court against a very worthy opposing counsel named john roberts. that was a good day, an interesting day. as these thoughts were racing through my head sooner or later the clock struck 10 and at the appointed hour the gavel and clock operated almost as if in perfect union. i heard the familiar pound of the gavel by the marshall and the familiar incantation oh yeah a all persons before the supreme court of the united states, get their attention, court is now and saying, god save the united states and the honorable court andes justices magically materialize behind these draperies. i listened to them start to announce the decision is. true to form the court held the most interesting case for the last case. so the emotion in the room reached a certain crescendo by the time it came time for the court to announce its ruling. i along with most of the conservatives in varoom was elated when she justice roberts started announcing the opinion. i took that as a very good omen. i was even more elated a

mark three years since u.s. government contractor alan gross was jailed in cuba, accused of breaking cuban laws against importing satellite technology. with talks at an impasse, alan gross' wife has sued the government and federal contractor accusing them of sending mr. gross on five covert trips to cuba without proper training, protection or knowledge of cuban law. joining me now is alan gross' wife judy. i know this has been -- i can't imagine how difficult this has been for you. the cuban government says clearly that your husband broke cuban laws. you have after three years filed suit against the federal government, against the contractor, and you lay out that your husband made five separate covert trips and was not briefed on what the laws involving importing satellite technology to kau ba are. explain this to me. >> let me say one word before i do that, because unfortunately i just found out today that alan's mother's cancer is not -- no longer under control and he just learned that. i spoke to him. so -- >> spoke to him today? >> yes. >> his mother is 90 years old? >> she'll be 91 and -- any way he can get

cuba. so now it's a very different place than it was before. very much like virginia. >> michael, i'm very curious and richard as well about what mark just talked abt. the reblic party becoming a more antigovernment party over time. do you agree with that? >> virginia is a test case of that. governor bob mcdonnell who is a very popular governor nevertheless became associated very personally associated along with republicans in the state legislature with a whole host of proactive legislative measures designed to restrict abortion. and indeed all sorts of invasive procedures. it's really interesting for smaller government conservatives to embrace. and i think you're finding the sub urban vote around d.c. is affectd. but i also think there are a lot of folks who in 1976 would have voted republican who were drawn to moderate republicans but as moderate republicans have become increasingly scarce they're voting against what they see as aoverent in richmond that is anything but the embodiment of small government. >> richmond virginia was the epicenter of massive resistance against school segregation down through the 1950s and even 1960s. you can perh