this is what happened in the case of mark duggan. that is put into us that we respond to by enormous amount of care and attention. so imagine a second and a half talk between mark duggan leaving the minicab in which he was driving, or being driven, followed by the police force until he got shot the second time. a second and a half — to work on a second and a half you sometimes need a year, so you work for a year on a second. that's an incredible kind of, like, compression of time, if you like. well, who funds you to do such labour—intensive work? yes. so we have research funding. so ukri is the government sort of research body that gives us a good chunk of our research, human rights organisations. but increasingly, also — and this is something that is very unique of forensic architecture — we present our evidence also in art and cultural forms. so we had exhibitions at the tate, at the whitney museum, at the whitworth in the uk, the institute of contemporary art, because we believe that we need to make our evidence public. we need to

the mark duggan thing was sparked by what was regarded as, in a sense, if you like, a political incident, which is the whole question of how the police treat black people and which is fundamentally is a political thing rather than a social thing, if you like this, this seems to me to have been sparked in a very different way. and i think we really need to look and what we don't want, what what really must hurt these people is these they're all represented . these they're all represented. now. the whole of leeds is represented by labour mps, you know, who include hilary benn. you know, son and brother of lord viscount stansgate , lord viscount stansgate, tremendously condescending metropolitan elite people who have absolutely no idea . not one have absolutely no idea. not one of them, i think, anticipated this because they don't know their own area, but the hundreds and they're the ones now telling people what the solutions are. >> thousands of people there last night , >> thousands of people there last night, and this is why i say it was gratuitous, is that, i mean , you're absolutely ri

and i saw it first emerging back in 2011 after the death of mark dugganin 2011 after the death of mark dugganse riots up in tottenham that then spread, of course, throughout london and to other places in england, as well. one of the big problems they started to encounter there was the social media. and then back then it was blackberry messenger and people were messaging each other on blackberry and they were just assembling at different locations to carry out disorder while social media has advanced very significantly since then, with these live streams and videos , people are seeing that videos, people are seeing that and they're flooding this area , and they're flooding this area, which just is much more problematic. and worrying for the police. >> yeah, and again, look, just for the sake of our radio listeners, we are looking at as mark was saying, buses being set on fire, fireworks in the street , on fire, fireworks in the street, bonfires in the streets, police cars being overturned and smashed up. what appears to me to be there anyway? what's on the screen at the moment is that the scre

i remember covering the riots in 2011 after the killing of mark duggan after his death and then the riotsthat started in tottenham spread to other parts of london and then to other parts of the country. back then it was blackberry messenger, social media really just in its infancy, then not even really around , but people even really around, but people just messaging each other to turn up at locations to cause disorder. now, social media is so much more advanced than that, with all the live streaming and alike, and that brought out hundreds of people, more than a thousand people, onto the streets of harehills and the police. i think initially they spoke of pockets of disorder, but they've had to revise what they said to now categorise this as serious disorder. they have no other choice. given that the home secretary has said that she is appalled by the scenes that have been witnessed on the streets of leeds overnight, and says that this kind of violence has no place in uk society. >> well, i think most people will be appalled by those scenes. mark. mark, i look forward to talking to you t