yes, we can and mark elliot is an honorary professor, the school of live on it could east european studies at university college. london is also the also putins was from chechnya to ukraine. jones not from broad stairs and can't hear you. ok, thanks very much indeed for being with us. so the 1st time that the head to the wagner group has as acute criminal withholding ammunition. but how significant is this public spot between wagner and the russian army? well, insignificant, not in the sense of the fact that wagner, oprah goshen are about to turn against the criminal or anything like that. but it is significant in that it really shows one of the many crucial weaknesses of the russian forces, which is the future. have a system in which he governs through dividing role. he creates a whole variety of different competing agencies and individuals and plays them off against each other. now that works in civil politics, it's really not working on the battlefield. where you have the regular army, you have wagner, you have the national guard, you have a whole variety of forces which are all competi