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but for now, let's bring in mark esper, the former secretary of defense under former president trump's secretary esper. but before we talk about trump and orban, i want to ask you about something that fbi director christopher wray just told a senate committee on this annual hearing on worldwide threats, wray said that the threat of a terrorist attack against the united states his gone to a whole other level since the october 7 attacks against israel. what more could you tell us about that >> well, jake, i'm not surprised by that. these are all iranian proxy groups. we know that hamas is in the united states, has velocity, united states there are certainly others who ascribe to the iranian theology and to the palestinian cause. and so i'm not surprised that you may have either an organized effort to maybe create a terrorist act or lone wolves who are acting on their own. so look, i take chris wray at his word, the fbi, i'm sure is all over this, so we should be concerned now back to victor orban. he says when it comes to the russia, ukraine war, this is, this is after his meeting with d

joining me now, cnn global affairs analyst and former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper. he serves on the board or as a strategic advisor for a handful of aerospace and defense related companies as well. secretary esper, thank you so much for being with us. i had to almost my head for a second listening to that characterization of viktor orban . that must be striking to hear some of the accolades he was bestowing upon him. >> yeah, well, good evening, laura, first of all. but look, no, it's not surprising. viktor orban is the odd man out in europe within nato as well, he tends to buck both the union and the alliance at times and has drawn himself closer to, to vladimir putin in russia. hungary was the last country to approve, sweden's admission to nato in the last few weeks. and there's always been this, again, relationship between him and, him and, donald trump, as there has been with between trump and others who he views as strongmen. so, look, this is not a surprise necessarily. i'm i'm a little surprised that orban came all the way from hungary to the united states t

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the us is going to be building a floating pier and causeway along the mediterranean coast of gaza mark esper is here with me now he is the former defense secretary under donald trump. so it mark, thanks so much for joining us. the us is now airdropping aid into gaza. they've announced that they're going to be building this pier that could take as long as two months and as many as 1,000 dozen us troops could be involved in building that to what extent do you think this reflects that the united states actually doesn't have all that much sway over israel since israel's essentially ignoring us calls to open more border crossings sure, alex, it says a lot about that. look, airdrops are better than nothing doing logistics over the shore, which is being proposed by the president's plan to build a causeway appear, then offload, loading shipping is better than airdrops, but nothing beats ground convoys going into relieve the suffering and you're talking about on a daily basis, 500 trucks a day are needed. >> if you >> will, but it's interesting because when you think about how this is going to happen

and here with us now seen in global affairs analyst and former defense secretary under president mark esper. he also serves on the board as a strategic advisor for a handful of aerospace in related companies. >> mark, >> thanks so much for being here with us. first, i just want to ask you the white house is saying that the un resolution does not represent a change in its policy. do you agree with that? and what do you make of the relationship between the us and israel following today's event? >> well, good afternoon, jessica. first of at dusk constituted change and it's i'm not surprised because they were talking about this last week. they said two things. first of all, last week and today. they've talked about ceasefire without the qualifier being of a temporary ceasefire, a short-term ceasefire and secondly, they've been saying and vice president harris said it very clearly today or yesterday that they're now saying don't go into rafah before it was, don't go into rafah unless you haven't planned to clear out the civilians first and protect them. and i'd might add that was the main reason

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and former secretary mark esper has also spoken out against trump telling cbs news last year, i haveconcerns about donald trump. i have said he's a threat to democracy. i think the last year, certain will i the last few months of donald trump's presidency will look like the first few months of the next one, if that were to occur. also during his speech on saturday, trump seemed to claim twice that joe biden won an election against barack obama or as he called him barack obama. >> we're leading in every single swing state against biden in the largest margins ever. you know what's interesting? joe biden has won against barack hussain obama. has anyone heard of him? in every swing state biden beat obama, and in every other state he got killed do. you think that's an honest election? >> joining us now, miya. i know you were there at the rally in ohio. there was dark rhetoric including the bloodbath comments and allies trying to push back. as we covered earlier on the show, it was part of a speech that was just full of dark, dark rhetoric, including about january 6th and those, as he deem

in 2020, trump approached his defense secretary, mark esper, about shooting people, protesting the death of george floyd, asking, can't you just shoot them? just shoot them in the legs or something. over the past few months, trump has warned of bedlam in the country and potential death and destruction if his criminal charges derail his presidential campaign. of course, in 2021 trump convinces reporters that the election was stolen from him. he worded any of the remaining faith in our institutions and told them to walk to the u.s. capitol and fight like . and he sat in the white house and watched the scenes on television as political violence engulfed the peaceful transfer of power. so yes. you absolutely have the option of buying the explanation that he was just talking about the auto industry in that speech over the weekend. you can do that. you can think election deniers in arizona are harmless, because they lost in 2022. and you can ignore the fact that the russians are back at it, very much so, and assume it's all going to be fine. or you can play a role in shining a light on all of

so we just heard from mike pence, john kelly, mark esper, rick tillerson, h.r. mcmaster.gain. yet it's not affecting him at the base? >> well, that's right. i mean this is a party in some ways that is a captive and you'll see that for the rational and some of the senior republicans like mitch mcconnell who have essentially thrown away their principles and gone ahead and endorsed donald trump. and who have acknowledged privately, look, what am i suppose to do? they run 10, 20 ahead of me with my own voter. so i think you see the party that is almost hostage to a subset of its own electric. that's number one. number two, they will show you there is no such thing as an elder statesman in this day in age and basically the party doesn't care what those authority figures think. >> and one of the things that you'll write about here are the lies. and most people just tap them on their streets and talk about the election denial and there were over things. you write something interesting and the platform is being built on lies. not just the old familiar lies about the rigged electi

divisive for our country for him to, for him to run again >> the former trump defense secretary mark esper do you think trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? >> no. >> i mean, it's, it's just irresponsible action that places are service members at risk places our nation's security at risk the other former trump defense secretary, jim madness, he said the trump fomented an insurrection. the former trump chief of staff, john kelly, who says trump has no idea what america stands for. his former acting chief of staff, mick mulvaney i quit because i think he he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that >> and his former joint chiefs chairman mark milley we don't take an oath to a king or queen. what a tyrant or a dictator. and we don't take an oath to a wanna be dictator and there are others, quite a few more, in fact, but pants today gave his reasons and they aren't just about how >> trump put his life at risk on january 6, during my presidential campaign, i made it clear that there were profound differences between me and president trump on a range of is

we've seen people like jim madness, john kelly, mark esper be very critical of donald trump in recent months but this is his vice president, this is his number two. this is the guy who kind of gave these evangelical, very conservative republicans the permission structure to come on board with trump during his presidency and in the 2016 campaign. i also think it's important to look at a lot of these other republicans who were reluctant to go with trump and then came around the mcconnell's, the wounds of chris sununu they said, well, i have to endorse him now because he's the nominee better than joe biden pens took a very different approach to that. he's saying no, i don't have to endorse him because i'm a republican. i'm a conservative first it's then he's not conservative. >> the exit and look, there are people who are in that camp. one of them is senator mitt romney, who i caught up with this week about the fact that donald trump met recently with the hungarian leader's strongman, viktor orban, p-r-e-p, praised or bought and it's that kind of thing that concerns republicans like romn

why so many policymakers here's a lawmakers support the forced sale of tiktok perspective from mark esper, who was defense secretary under the former president and supports the bill security as for given your background, can you just walk us through the nature of the threat that you think tiktok poses? i mean, is it purely about data collection by a foreign power or is there more to it >> i think there's more to it, anderson, what is data collection? the second is disinformation put out by tiktok to the hundred and 70 million or so american users and of course there is but we know that the tiktok censored certain topics, such as tianamen square, uyghurs, hong kong security, things like that. so you have a number of factors there the fbi director chris wray has spoken about this on numerous occasions as well. and i would note in december of 2019, when i was running the pentagon, we put out a security warning about tiktok, the military departments banned it from government phones. and we also put out a warning to service members and dod employees that they should take it off of their person

. >> i'm doing >> tonight by the former defense secretary under president trump, mark esper, and secretary, i do think that someone like paul manafort should be anywhere near the republican national convention, given what i just laid out >> well good evening, kaitlan. it wouldn't seem to be the case in most instances, right? in the normal campaign. but look, as in many others have said, trump vow values, loyalty above all else. and i think the fact that paul manafort went to went to prison and then has remained pro trump since then has encouraged incurred favor, if you will, with with donald trump and he likes that. he likes that loyalty. he likes that fealty and it's clear again, he's trying to put his people in key positions. he's already overtaken the rnc by putting it and his folks is daughter-in-law. other people he's going he's done the same with throughout the republican party. so this is just another step. if that indeed happens, i think when you just step back and look at this, i mean, yes, paul manafort is someone who looked back at bob dole and brown reagan. he has helped with c

your mike pence john kelly mark milley, john bolton, mark esper. these were all people who were in the trump administration and now disavow former president trump's. so you've got a very different kettle of fish are between biden, who has former president's reuse, able to campaign with, and what trump had. >> i was hoping w would come out of the floor. i was waiting for i was like w is showing my feeling kinda swinging and >> former president want to pick up on those question of predecessors? reportedly, obama was in the white house last week for several hours talking hard tax campaign strategy with the biden team how smart do you think it is or do you think that really is going to help for biden to hit shop to the degree possible with obama and clinton i kind of agree with lou in the sense that biden's brand is still, i mean, i agree is pull numbers are going up, but like his brand is still pretty weak attaching yourself >> to more popular brands, make sense. and even broader than that. i mean, you look at the surrogates that trump has available t

of nikki haley's supporters come to mind and for one former secretary, former defense secretary mark esper, was on the show last night. he said he's absolutely not voting for trump, but again, he's not quite there on voting for biden so how do you bridge that gap from a biden campaign standpoint to win over what we've already seen over the course of the primary process. he says to be a substantial amount of voters here >> well, i'll tell you something. trump is helping. one of the questions is, now that the races in a general election contexts and trump is getting general election coverage are people going to be reminded of three reasons why they can't vote for him and push to the point where given the choice between trump, who they can abide as a person and as a political leader. and biden with whom they may have policy differences where do they fall? i think trump could push him in that direction? i do think biden jonathan martin wrote a column in the politico on friday asking why biden wasn't contacting more of these republican leaders who have said they can't be for biden. and what he

obviously a number of national security officials from trump's first term, from john bolton to mark esper, who have come out and said that they do not believe he is fit to be president. again, does pence provide room for these kinds of people two, in a more coordinated way. make that case to the public. the reason why this is so significant politically, i think. is that primarily because of inflation, it is highly likely that joe biden will not match his 2020 numbers among working class voters of all races, including black and hispanic voters. and that means to make up for it. he needs the kind need to improve further among the kinds of problems looking leaning independents who have always been ambivalent and bested trump and or potentially the most receptive from the kind of messages they may hear from mike pence or nikki haley, or others. if pence, in fact inspires others to follow and good good point. kristen, just last year as all of us remember, mike pence said he would vote vote for trump even if trump was convicted of a felony during that was during a presidential debates. so what

it just makes no sense former secretary of defense, mark esper told me yesterday that one of his main takeaways from the tuesday hearing was the clear warning to president biden that he should maintain a >> small troop presence in afghanistan to avoid what we're talking about here with isis kaye, take a listen to maintain a minimum force at 2,500 troops on the ground. mostly special forces with allied troops and contractors. in order to sustain the afghan national security forces. and its government until the diplomatic conditions of the door agreement are met. without this support, it was my view at the time that it was only a matter of when not if the afghan government would collapse and the taliban would take control >> so s best profound that surprising that was milly you heard there in that clip, obviously right after the withdrawal, president biden told abc news that his military advisers never recommended did that. but it seems, it seems pretty well-documented at this point that people like general million others had told him to keep a small special forces operation in bagram y

>> i >> want to bring in donald trump's former secretary of defense, mark esper, and former federal prosecutor elliot williams to break what we've been listening to down on this remarkable interview and elliott, it's one thing to read these kind of vague details and an indictment with no names. but to hear brian butler talk about how unknowingly he was part of this effort to move boxes to trump's plane the day that the fbi is meeting with trump's attorneys about getting these documents back at mar-a-lago. i just wonder what you believe that could mean for trump especially on the obstruction front of this case. >> look, that's the power of live testimony in court. you can read a tramp conscript, and certainly the same words might be the same, but hearing somebody who witnessed something saw something is immensely powerful for juries. and you have a witness that can act as i've heard it, called a tour guide to walk through the facts as they occurred at trial. so it's powerful yeah. >> and secretary esper, when you listen to this, obviously you're someone who was the pentagon chief as the time wh

and 17 cabinet members, including nikki haley, have told us, this is people like general mittis, mark espereterans and national defense people have begged us not to put this guy within 100 yards of the white house because he is not fit for the presidency. so the issue of fitness for joe biden got put to rest. the issue of fitness for donald trump is with us forever because he should not get near the oval office again. >>> coming up, senator chuck schumer is standing by. his reaction to the state of the union when "morning joe" comes right back. joe" comes right back this is our future, ma. godaddy airo. creates a logo, website, even social posts... in minutes! -how? -a.i. (impressed) ay i like it! who wants to come see the future?! get your business online in minutes with godaddy airo if you try vaping to quit smoking, it might feel like progress, but with 3x more nicotine than a pack of cigarettes - vapes increase cravings - trapping you in an endless craving loop. nicorette reduces cravings until they're gone for good. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every t

it was because of mark milley and mark esper that it wasn't a more reckless timeline. donald trump wanted to move far quicker than that. >> but my point is, the advice given to joe biden by by tony blinken and others was not the same thing that happened with president biden did not what he did in afghanistan. that was reprehensible. >> you know, you say you say, first of all, you're right that people are war weary. there's no doubt about that. the question is, is not supporting ukraine. leave the sort of moral issues of supporting a democracy that's being overrun. but does it make it less likely that american troops aren't going to have to acts? >> and here's why i agree with you, ukraine. i think that we should be. and tonight, the president should have said, we're not handing bags of money to the ukrainians. we're building the us military industrial base. we're helping americans go to work and resupply our own military. that's an opportunity he missed here. >> a common defense to defeat our enemies. >> right? for pennies on the dollar. and i would say this, but, you

months and weeks after the trump presidency ended that general mark milley was witness to a conversation and i believe then defense secretary esperell. this is tool they talked about deploying on the american people on more than one occasion. how much of this conversation do you think is central to the conversation president joe biden tried to have in his "state of the union" about nothing less than the future of our democracy is on the line in november's election? >> well, it's all very important. one thing i learned in the january 6th committee proceedings is to pay attention to what trump says because he means it. he's already said that he intends to -- these are his words -- terminate parts of the constitution. you know, he has repeatedly talked about the insurrection act. you know, i think what we're looking at is a real threat to our system of government that trump poses. you know, he showed his colors on that on january 6th. he always intended the violence when all the other efforts failed. and we know that he never intended to abide by the voters' decision if it wasn't in his favor. so i think president biden gave a great

esper, former defense secretary, mattis. cassidy hutchinson, former aide. general kelly, former chief of staff, his longest. former press secretary, stephanie grisham. general markof the joint chiefs. scaramucci. alyssa farah griffin, strategic comms director. we can go on and on and on and on. you know, dan coats' name is not on there. i know he would never do it. nikki haley, go down the list. michael steele, you couple that with the fact that this guy really worships dictators. couple that with january 6th. you couple that with the fact he stole nuclear secrets. then his i.t. guy said he ordered him to destroy them. when he decided not to, he wanted to flood the room. to destroy the documents. we could go on and on. you had a federal judge in new york state that said donald trump rapede jen carroll. again, i could go down the list for the next three hours. one thing after another which would have disqualified any other candidate running for president in american history. why is he tied with joe biden right now? >> two things occurred pretty much at the same time. one was he has inoculated himself with a sycophantic tribe of maga followers who reinforce his me