commissioner mark everson thank you for your unique insights. i'll sure we'll be watching it unfold for some time to come. >> thank you. >> john: the nra has named its favorite gun movies after decrying hollywood as being the cause of violence proving once again most of the nra's gun arguments are fictional. my panel of nonexperts joins us next. >>we'll do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning. >> john: six months ago, wayne lapierrre took to the podium and laid the blame for the sandy hook shooting exactly where it deserved to be laid, hollywood. >> we have lots of films out there. like "american psycho," "natural born killers," that are aired like propaganda loops on splatter days. and then they all have the nerve to call it entertainment. but is that what it really is? isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? >> john: no. making it easier for criminally insane people to kill people is insane. how dare they call it entertainment. what they really should be callin

his predesees so, mark everson who was the irs commissioner before he took over. guess how many times he came to the white house while he was there? >> one. >> what is the press concluding? did the president know about this? >> did the president know? the president has said "i found out my first inkling of knowledge of this was when it came into the public press. now, the white house counsel and white house chief of staff knew almost three weeks before. >> at the very least. >> at the very least, and they apparently did not tell the president of the united states hey, we got a time bomb that's going to go off at the irs inside treasury, a political scandal of the first order. >> there's all this on capitol hill, but nobody has found any connection with the white house. mr. shilman was appointed by president bush. he's a democrat. >> well, -- he admitted so. >> appointed by president bush. you started out asking about lois lerner. if she didn't take the fifth, her lawyer should be convicted for malpractice. she's under investigation in a criminal probe so she had t

>> particularly bill o'reilly interviewed mark everson a former irs commissioner. right. >> i think he said, and i know you have run it this morning whether he went once or not at all. in other words it wasn't standard procedure that the irs commissioner trotted down to the white house. it raises questions, an extraordinary number 150 times. now of course doug shulman, the former irs commissioner in what was really an arrogant answer said, well i went to the easter egg roll. martha: that went over well. >> there weren't 150 easter egg rolls. martha: there weren't 150 easter egg roles. we may see many him coming back. >> i think he will come back. martha: to go into detail about the nature of those visits. a lot to talk about chris and we look forward to it as always. see you on sunday. >> thank you, martha. martha: as he said he has bob goodlatte coming up chairman of house judiciary committee who has a lot of questions for eric holder. also congressman chris van hollen will be on the program this sunday and rnc chairman reince priebus talking about the future of t

mark everson with the latest on his take on the latest we learned today on the expansionive nature ofiews and shulman visited the white house 157 times. this guy everson, one time. he is coming you up. >>> fox news weather alert on the threat of new you severe storms in a part of the country still struggling to recover from a series of tornadoes. the video out of the town of broken arrow last night. a tulsa, oklahoma suburb. the twister doing plenty of damage and now new concerns of more to come. rick reichmuth live in the the fox weather center with more. hi, rick. >> another active day. third in a row of active storms. around the oklahoma city area. take a look at the satellite radar. all the precipitation is off towards the east. notice the clearing out here allowing it to heat up at the surface. in the next couple of hours we will see the heating begin to rise and watch the development of big thunderstorms. also going to bring a lot of rain. we had numerous water rescues just to the south of kansas city overnight and we will see a lot more rain especially across area of missouri a

mark everson logged one visit to the white house in five years, his predecessor. >> the easter egg rollh my kids. questions about the admin stra biblt billity. the budget. >> that was the answer why he had gone so many times. sources told reporters at fox news one of the reasons he was visiting the white house so often is how to discuss the inevitable news of this still pending report. >> elizabeth prann in washington. >> eric holder will meet with members of the media to try to smooth things over. this comes amid reports that thousands of ap phone lines were monitored not just 20 as initially claimed. shannon green has more. >> the judiciary sent a letter demanding he explain what they view as inconsistencies between the sworn testimony of the committee and subsequent revelations from the justice department. it is imperative he answer questions including quote how can you claim to never been involved in the prosecution of a member of the media but you were involved in discussions regarding mr. holden's e-mails. here's what he told him. >> with regard to the prosecution of the press to

why a former irs commissioner named mark everson says, further than you know. he thinks this thing is bigger than anyone is letting on. find out why tonight on fbn, and only fbn. forget about what the president is going to do with all these scandals brewing. what would the donald do? two worded. just guess. >> you're fired, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired. [ indistinct conversations ] [ male announcer ] when you wear dentures you may not know it, but your mouth is under attack. food particles infiltrate and bacteria proliferate. ♪ protect your mouth, with fixodent. the adhesive helps create a food seal defense for a clean mouth and kills bacteria for fresh breath. ♪ fixodent, and forget it. >> neil: so far the markets are concerned that we're in for another watergate like summer. the dow up more than 120 points, comfortably over 15,350. a big jump this week, about 2% jump this week, more than 200-point surge this week, so if they're dissuadessed by anything going on in washington, maybe -- they're just buying and buying. >>> three -- only

neil: former irs commissioner mark everson heard that one, and he really started getting worried, muse that the president and his attorney general were quite confident they could handle this probe on their own, thank you, no need for special comes or special anything. commissioner, welcome. good to have you. why is that troubling to you? you don't think it's a case of the government or wing of the govement sort of policing itself, or is it deeper than that? >> well, i'm not sure i actually said that, neil. but what i do think that what i have said was it's very serious for the service once you get any criminal inquiry from doj. that puts, oh, a ral dampening effect on the service. this is horrible event for the irs. d i'm confident that the congress will get to the bottom of this. you've got whatever it is, three or four different committees looking at it. it's just starting. and i do think they're going to get to it, through it with justice. neil: so you don't feel that there ought to be a special committee or a special prosecutor, any of this kind of stuff that others have suggested

his predecessor mark everson, who has been on this show many times was there once during the bush years schulman 118 times. what does that mean? >> that there was an awful lot of discussions about tax quote policy going on between the white house and the commissioner of the internal revenue, which is unprecedented in our history. this whole idea that you had all of these meetings and no one ever discussed. this is what's so hard to believe. you had this targeting going on the irs issue that, mea culpa that meant a nothing. this was going on three years. we knew in 2010 this was happening, no one bothered to tell during these meetings the commissioner of the internal revenue, we know he knew, none of this happened? there was not targeting going on? they do this two.5 years later, oh, yeah, we should have apologized. it's hard to believe. obviously, we don't have that discovery or those depositions, at the end of the day, i will tell you this. this is going to be a comprehensive series of discovery. we will get to the bottom of this ut it will be interesting to see how treasury handles it

mark everson is that correct? >> that is correct, sir. >> he was also appointed by president george w. bush? >> yes, i believe so. >> and during his tenure it is believed that groups like the naacp, progressive churches in opposition to the war in iraq and environmental groups were targeted by the irs. mr. miller, while you were appointed active commissioner at the irs you are not a career -- you are, sorry -- you are a career civil servant, is that not the case? >> it is, sir. >> and you were not a political appointee? >> i am not a political appointee. >> what i'm trying to point out and basically debunk is the notion or idea of the political statements and i believe nonfactualnonfactual statements by chairman to link the scandals to the white house or solely the targeting of conservative groups. i was the person last week who asked the question of ms. lerner as to whether or not the irs were investigating political nonfor profit organizations. and at that hearing we were not given an answer. i think mr. bustani

former irs commissioner mark everson told fox news that the irs pays very, very close attention to thesebut the point here is it's totally appropriate for chairman baucus to raise that issue, but anything that the service would do in terms of looking at c4s should have been evenhanded, and it wasn't, and that's the shame here. >> reporter: as hearings get underway, the first scheduled for tomorrow at 9 a.m., congress will want to ferret out who allowed this uneven approach to examining tax-exempt requests and whether it may have been part of a political culture at the irs. during the past two decades, individual irs employees contributed $840,000 to political causes, but an overwhelming majority of that, two-thirds of that money, benefited democrats and liberal-leaning organizations according to a study by the center for public integrity. the irs commissioner in 2010 when conservative groups first became a target was douglas shulman. according to the federal elections committee, he contributed $500 to the dnc in 2004. uma, back to you. uma: doug, thank you very much. gregg: and we are wa

mark everson, is that correct? >> that's correct, sir. >> appointed by president george w. bush? >> i believe so. >> and during the tenure, groups like the naacp, progressive churches in opposition to the war in iraq and environmental groups were targeted by the irs, mr. miller, while you were appointed active commissioner at the irs, you were not a career -- you are -- sorry. you are a career civil servant, is that not the case? >> it is, sir. >> and you were not a political appointee. >> i'm not a political appointee. >> what i'm trying to point out and basically debunk is the notion or idea of the political statements and i believe nonfactual statements by chairman camp to link these scandals to the white house or solely the targeting of conservative groups. i was the person last week who asked the question of ms. learner. as to whether or not the irs were investigating political nonfor profit organizations. and at that we were not given an answer, rather, the world only learned after she was asked a planted question at a press event and that's simply unaccept annual. but what

obama white house over 100 times during his tenure as irs chief but by contrast his predecessor, mark everson said he went there only a handful of times. he told the "washington examiner" in a recent interview, quote, in my experience, the service was always scrupulous in making sure it did not run afoul of any politics in any way or get involved in being partisan. everson even refused to go to the white house christmas party to avoid the appearance of impropriety. congressional investigators are going to want to know i should say more about shulman's visits and what he was up to when he was at the white house. jenna. jenna: i was an appointee of the bush administration and terms last five years on purpose to try to go beyond politics when an appointee will stay on. >> reporter: that's right. shulman i should add, donated money to the dnc in 2000 four, $250, a $500 a small amount but he was a dnc contributor. jenna: very interesting as we get the character, what happened, who are the people involved. doug, thank you for that. a story we'll watch and have more on. thank you. jon: that irs scan

mark everson, is that correct. >> that's correct, sir. >> he was also appointed by president george w. bush? >> yes, i believe so. >> during his tenure, it is believed that groups in the like the naacp, progressive churches that were in opposition to the war in iraq, and environmental groups were targeted by the irs. mr. miller, while you were appointed acting commissioner at the irs, you are not a career, you are, sorry, you are a career civil servant, is that not the case. >> it is, sir. >> you were not a political appointee? >> i'm not a political appointee. >> what i'm trying to point out and basically to debunk is the notion or idea of the political statements and, i believe nonfactual statements by chairman cam, to link these scandals to the white house, or solely the targeting of conservative groups. i was the person last week who asked the question of ms. lerner, as, to whether or not the irs were investigating political nonfor profit organizations and that hearing we were not given a, we were not given an answer. i think mr. abuse taney would agree -- boustany, the world only

mark everson, is that correct? he was also appointed by president george w. bush. it is believed that groups like the naacp, progressive churches and environmental groups were targeted by the irs. mr. miller, while you were appointed acting commissioner at the irs, you are a career civil servant. is that not the case? >> yes. >> you are not a political appointee. >> i am not. >> what i'm trying to basically the blanc is the notion or idea -- tryin gto debunk are the nonfactual statements by chair camp to link these candles to the white house or solely targeting of conservative groups -- link these scandals to white house. i asked the questions of ms. lerner last week as to whether or not the irs was investigating political not for profit organizations. she got involved after she was asked a question at a press event and that is simply understandable. what i also think is important, at least at this point in time, i would hope is in a bipartisan context because we want to find the facts. we want to find out who knew what and when and what steps were or were not take

mark everson, is that correct? is correct, sir. >> he was also appointed by president george w. bush? >> yes, i believe so. >> and during his tenure and while it is believed that groups like the naacp, progressive churches in opposition to the war in iraq and environmental groups were targeted be by the irs. mr. miller, while you were appointed at the commissioner at the irs, you are not a career -- you are a -- sorry, you are a career civil servant, is that not the case? >> it is, sir. >> you were not a political appointee. >> i am not a political appointee. >> what i'm trying to point out and basically to debunct is the notion or the idea of the political statements and i believe nonfactual statements by chairman camp to link these scandals to the white house or solely the targeting of conservative groups. i was the person last week who asked the question of ms. learner as to whether or not the irs were investigating politicalnon not-for-profit organizations and at that hearing we were not given an answer, and mr

mark everson, is that correct? >> that is correct, sir spencer was also appointed by president george w. bush? >> yes, i believe so. >> during his tenure, while groups like the naacp, progressive churches that were in opposition to the war in iraq, and environmental groups were targeted, of the irs, mr. miller, while you were appointed acting commission at the irs, you are not a career, you are, sorry, you are a cover civil servant, is that not the case the? >> it is, sir. >> and you were not a political appointing? >> i am not a political appointee. appointee. >> what i am trying to point out and basically evolved is the notion or idea of the political statements, about with non-factual statements i chairman camp, to link these scandals to the white house, or solely the targeting of conservative groups. i was the person last week to asked the question of ms. lerner as to whether or not the irs were investigating political not-for-profit organizations. and that that hearing, we were not given a proper, we were not

mark everson, is that correct? he was also appointed by president george w. bush. it is believed that groups like the naacp, progressive churches and environmental groups were targeted by the irs. mr. miller, while you were appointed acting commissioner at the irs, you are a career civil servant. is that not the case? >> yes. >> you are not a political appointee. >> i am not. >> what i'm trying to basically basically debunk is the notion or idea -- tryin gto debunk are the nonfactual statements by chair camp to link these candles to the white house or solely targeting of conservative groups link these scandals to the white house. i asked the questions of ms. lerner last week as to whether or not the irs was investigating political not for profit at that hearing we were not given an answer. she got involved after she was asked a question at a press event and that is simply unacceptable. what i also think is important, at least at this point in time, i would hope is in a bipartisan context because we want to find the facts. we want to find out who knew what and when