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sunny hostin, deny savalos, mark garagos and mark toobin. you think it is the family will sue for civil damages? >> it's been reported they've already settled with the homeowners association. i don't know if that's true. next time you interview the lawyer, i would ask that and find out. if they've settled with the homeowners association, meaning they got some kind of a check in trade for a release, the only target left, i would imagine, unless they think they've got something against the cops themselves, is zimmerman himself. zimmerman himself, i would imagine all the money he's raised has gone to pay o'mara and west. he probably doesn't have much of anything. so i understand they could get a large verdict if they get the right jury, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to kind of put them through that for a victory just to get a judgment. the bigger question is whether the feds are going to come in and whether the feds would come in and do what they did in the rodney king case out here in l.a. which was after the acquittals. they prosec
sunny hostin, deny savalos, mark garagos and mark toobin. you think it is the family will sue for civil damages? >> it's been reported they've already settled with the homeowners association. i don't know if that's true. next time you interview the lawyer, i would ask that and find out. if they've settled with the homeowners association, meaning they got some kind of a check in trade for a release, the only target left, i would imagine, unless they think they've got something against the...
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cannot shake, i'm taking him to the 12-year-old who's alone at home. >> i do want to bring in mark garagosnteresting, you were saying you believe the system is racist, that the justice system does treat african-americans differently. you see that in your own practice. you see that every single day in the courts. and yet -- >> right. this is what's so absolutely aggravating and why i get so worked up when we're on these panels. i understand -- and sunny, this is not a shot at you as a former federal prosecutor. when you hear people who say they're federal prosecutors or ex-federal prosecutors, they're dealing with while-collar criminals in a federal court. >> not in d.c., though. you know that, mark. >> not in d.c. i know that. i know that. i understand. i'm talking about in the state courts across this country. every single day if you -- as i sit in a courtroom and watch nothing but young black males get processed in and out of courtrooms in this country for the, what i consider to be, the parking ticket of superior court. it usually involves some small amount of drugs or something drug re
cannot shake, i'm taking him to the 12-year-old who's alone at home. >> i do want to bring in mark garagosnteresting, you were saying you believe the system is racist, that the justice system does treat african-americans differently. you see that in your own practice. you see that every single day in the courts. and yet -- >> right. this is what's so absolutely aggravating and why i get so worked up when we're on these panels. i understand -- and sunny, this is not a shot at you as...
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. >> i know mark garagos is chomping at the bit to insult this prosecutor. >> yes, mark. >> i'm not here to insult the prosecutor. i'm trying to tell you that mcdreamy became mcbrilliant. then he became mcloser. the problem with this guy -- and i was talking with a prosecutor an hour ago who had the same observation i did. these guys reminded me of baby public defenders who watch "law & order" and think that's how you're supposed to try a case. >> not at all. >> this was ridiculous. these prosecutors were so out of their league. >> that is not fair, mark. >> they were so over the top. you can say whatever you want. you're the one who said -- do you remember your quote, sunny? he had them at hello. >> he did. you know what? we haven't heard from this jury yet. we don't know what their verdict is. >> well, we have heard from them. >> oh, did we hear from them? >> we heard from them yesterday, sunny. it was not guilty. >> we haven't heard their reasoning yet. >> you're never going to get into their reasoning. >> did they believe george zimmerman? did they believe he acted in self-defense? d
. >> i know mark garagos is chomping at the bit to insult this prosecutor. >> yes, mark. >> i'm not here to insult the prosecutor. i'm trying to tell you that mcdreamy became mcbrilliant. then he became mcloser. the problem with this guy -- and i was talking with a prosecutor an hour ago who had the same observation i did. these guys reminded me of baby public defenders who watch "law & order" and think that's how you're supposed to try a case. >> not at...
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. >> i want to help the wall flower, mark garagos get in here. >> i don't understand this, first of all, let's put aside for a second that the prosecution is injecting race and everybody has been injecting race and it's a reason it got traction. more fund mentally, that's not the law. you get a jury instruction, take a look at the jury instruction. a witness's attitude in giving testimony is absolutely irrelevant -- i mean, is relevant. whether don west wasn't asking for a curative instruction is beyond me because what he told that jury is not the state of the law. that is absolutely not what the jury instruction reads. you can absolutely take a look at her attitude, demeanor, like any other witness and if you feel that there's a problem with that, you can discount or you take that testimony with a grain of salt. that is -- >> can you discount her testimony because she can't read cursive? can you discount her testimony -- >> no, no, that has nothing -- >> because she's not relatable? >> if she says -- i -- did i argue that? i don't think i did, sunny. i'm not danny. what i'm telling you
. >> i want to help the wall flower, mark garagos get in here. >> i don't understand this, first of all, let's put aside for a second that the prosecution is injecting race and everybody has been injecting race and it's a reason it got traction. more fund mentally, that's not the law. you get a jury instruction, take a look at the jury instruction. a witness's attitude in giving testimony is absolutely irrelevant -- i mean, is relevant. whether don west wasn't asking for a curative...
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let bring in the panel of legal analyst, sunny hostin, mark garagos how the criminal justice system suspects works and doesn't. you said you would eat your hat if george zimmerman took the stand. i'm sure you're pleased you don't have to do that. >> the one thing i'm not pleased about is i raised the odds from 50 to 100 to 1 and nobody would take me up on it and i'm disappointed. i would have made enough money to have bought jeff's new paper back that came out yesterday. >> thank you for the plug. jeff, we have this digital dash borpd question, how much of an impact will zimmerman make not taking the stand. nobody thought there was a good chance of him taking the stand. >> there is a great question that comes up in every criminal case. the judge instructs the jury to draw no inferences from the fact the defendant didn't firefighter. he has an absolute right. the burden of proof is on the prosecution but there is an expectation that a defendant gets on the witness stand and says i didn't do it to jurors. i think in this case since the jury has heard so much from george zimmerman, whether it's
let bring in the panel of legal analyst, sunny hostin, mark garagos how the criminal justice system suspects works and doesn't. you said you would eat your hat if george zimmerman took the stand. i'm sure you're pleased you don't have to do that. >> the one thing i'm not pleased about is i raised the odds from 50 to 100 to 1 and nobody would take me up on it and i'm disappointed. i would have made enough money to have bought jeff's new paper back that came out yesterday. >> thank...
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. >> i want to help the wall flower, mark garagos get in here. >> i don't understand this, first of alllet's put aside for a second that the prosecution is injecting race and everybody has been injecting race and it's a reason it got traction. more fund mentally, that's not the law. you get a jury instruction, take a look the president jury at th. a witness's attitude in giving testimony is absolutely irrelevant -- i mean, is relevant. whether don west wasn't asking for a curative instruction is beyond me because what he told that jury is not the state of the law. that is absolutely not what the jury instruction reads. you can absolutely take a look at her attitude, demeanor, like any other witness and if you feel that there's a problem with that, you can discount or you take that testimony with a grain of salt. that is -- >> can you discount her testimony because she can't read cursive? can you discount her testimony -- >> no, no, that has nothing -- >> because she's not relatable? >> if she says -- i -- did i argue that? i don't think i did, sunny. i'm not danny. what i'm telling you
. >> i want to help the wall flower, mark garagos get in here. >> i don't understand this, first of alllet's put aside for a second that the prosecution is injecting race and everybody has been injecting race and it's a reason it got traction. more fund mentally, that's not the law. you get a jury instruction, take a look the president jury at th. a witness's attitude in giving testimony is absolutely irrelevant -- i mean, is relevant. whether don west wasn't asking for a curative...
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deputy marsha clark and criminal defense attorney danny and mark c garagos.s for a lesser charge? >> there is no question the jury will be charged on second degree and -- second degree murpder and manslaughter. i mean, that's a lesser included offense and the way i read the statute, it has to be done and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there is evidence to support manslaughter. so this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on. if they convict him at all. >> marsha, that's how it goes. it's up to the jury. they can go for second-degree murder or manslaughter. it's not one or the other? >> exactly. anderson, it's very, very common. i mean, manslaughter is what's called a lesser included offense within second-degree murder and a rare case when the manslaughter instruction is not give when you have a murder charge like this and the jury makes the call. >> marsha, you think that in the summation by the prosecution, that once they are allowed to give their version of vents and kind of tie all the pieces together, you thin
deputy marsha clark and criminal defense attorney danny and mark c garagos.s for a lesser charge? >> there is no question the jury will be charged on second degree and -- second degree murpder and manslaughter. i mean, that's a lesser included offense and the way i read the statute, it has to be done and i suspect that the government is going to request it. there is evidence to support manslaughter. so this jury will have a choice of what to convict george zimmerman on. if they convict...
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. >> i want to bring in mark garagos in the audience. earlier the federal government looked into this. black males are sentenced in federal court almost 20% longer than white males who had similar convictions. >> not just federal courts. state courts. every day in court that's what happens. it starts not when you get to court. it starts when you get arrested. where are -- who are the people who are being profiled by police? who are the people being pulled over by police? race infects everything in the criminal justice system. >>> now to this. an alleged killer as a cover boy? what i'm about to show you is the object of condemnation that calls for a boycott today. the august 3rd issue of "rolling stone" magazine. see his face front and center. boston marathon bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev smack dab on the cover. as you can imagine it's drawing all kinds of backlash. we have learned today cvs pharmacies and tedeschi food shops refusing to sell this. some of the words being used to describe it. you hear tasteless. another we read today,
. >> i want to bring in mark garagos in the audience. earlier the federal government looked into this. black males are sentenced in federal court almost 20% longer than white males who had similar convictions. >> not just federal courts. state courts. every day in court that's what happens. it starts not when you get to court. it starts when you get arrested. where are -- who are the people who are being profiled by police? who are the people being pulled over by police? race...