mark geragos from the defense side. former prosecutor jeff toobin, marcia clark. there you see jerry sandusky in a police car about to be taken off to a local jail where -- for the rest of his life, as we said. his new life has begun, his life in confinement. momentarily we expect to speak for an attorney for at least one of the victims who testified in this trial. there were ten alleged victims, eight of whom we heard the testimony in this relatively short trial. also relatively short deliberations. 21 hours for some 48 counts in all. we had a jury of seven women, five men. we're not going to be hearing from any of the jurors tonight. they were earlier, while this has been going on outside the courthouse, the jurors have been receiving instructions from the judge, who has told them according to reports not to speak to any reporters tonight. do we have justine? joining me now is justine andronichi, attorney for victims three and seven. thank you very much for being with us. first of all, have you talked to your clients tonight, and if so, what do they feel about t

i want to bring in our legal panel, criminal defense attorney mark geragos, so does legal analyst jeffrey toobin. mark, you've waited for a lot of juries to come up with a verdict. what are your thoughts at this point of the evening before we know what's happening. >> i think i said the other night that i didn't think it would be a slam dunk for the prosecution. you've got 21 hours worth of deliberation which i think is longer than most people thought they would deliberate. friday is the bewitching hour for most juries and most verd t verdicts and my sentiments would not be that much more different than joes, i think i would be shocked as well if it was an acquit al across the board. >> you say that because of playing the odds or because the prosecution, the preponderance, that that they proved their case, you believe? >> no. my general feeling on cases like this, when you've got somebody with this kind of attention and this kind of high profile, and there's been 21 hours worth of deliberations and the general feeling is that the evidence was overwhelming, and i think that whoever was hol

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mark geragos. also back with us is sunny hostin. , what do you make of this tape, good for zimmerman's defense? >> oh, it's fantastic for zimmerman's defense in the court of public opinion. the problem is, in a real courtroom, it will probably never see the light of day. the prosecution is the one who's going to have to introduce this because they're the adverse party. and i can't imagine why the prosecution would introduce it. >> because you think it speaks well for him? his story you think holds up? >> i think his story does hold up and it's -- the prosecution's going to say it's self-serving hearsay. that's the term you're going to hear. the fact remains, he's the one who's telling the story. unless he's going to take the stand, i highly doubt you're ever going to see this tape in a courtroom. >> sunny, do you think zimmerman's story adds up? >> i don't think so. there's just so many inconsistencies. and when you read the transcript of the 311 call and you read the interview between officer sarango. and you watch the videotape. qu

and criminal defense attorney mark geragos.ccording to national institutes of health, histrionic personality disorder is a, quote, condition in which people act in an emotional dramatic way that draws attention to themselves. why would that have somebody grooming children to assault them? >> well, i think that's the important point here, is that histrionic personality disorder does not result in the kinds of behaviors you hear being presented in the courtroom. there's no cause and effect between histrionic personality disorder and a sexual interest in children, particularly predatory behavior. >> mark, the prosecution said the letter sandusky wrote to alleged victims were part of a grooming behavior. the defense says it's consistent with his disorder. do you think that's a strong defense, a wise defense, or is that all they got? >> i don't think it's necessarily a defense. i think what they're trying to say, look, they're not going to get in there and argue to anybody with a straight face that he did these sexual acts and he di

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and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. according to national institutes of health, histrionic personality disorder is a, quote, condition in which people act in an emotional dramatic way that draws attention to themselves. why would that have somebody grooming children to assault them? >> well, i think that's the important point here, is that histrionic personality disorder does not result in the kinds of behaviors you hear being presented in the courtroom. there's no cause and effect between histrionic personality disorder and a sexual interest in children, particularly predatory behavior. >> mark, the prosecution said the letter sandusky wrote to alleged victims were part of a grooming behavior. the defense says it's consistent with his disorder. do you think that's a strong defense, a wise defense, or is that all they got? >> i don't think it's necessarily a defense. i think what they're trying to say, look, they're not going to get in there and argue to anybody with a straight face that he did these sexual acts and he

criminal defense attorney mark geragos is here with me in new york. along with attorney marcia clark, author of the book "guilt by degrees." we heard from a former police officer. i want to just get the quote right. he said former penn state police investigator. he apparently hid in the home of accuser number six's mom when she confronted sandusky about inappropriate behavior back in 1998. he said sandusky said, i wish i could ask for forgiveness. i know i can't get it from you. i wish i were dead. how big is that for the prosecution? >> in some ways, that's probably some of their best evidence. because jurors always want to hear -- their question is what did the defendant have to say? what did the defendant have to say? it doesn't matter what the prosecution's case is. if you've got either a tape or the defendant takes the stand, that's where all the focus goes. that's what the jurors are going to talk about. things like that, they'll want an explanation for. potentially, that's a big piece. >> the same officer testified when he talked to sandusky, a

also mark geragos. mark, how important is somebody like joyce porter? she only saw him a couple of times each year. last time we talked about building blocks to reasonable doubt, and what's what the defense is trying to present. is that just her purpose? >> absolutely her purpose and i think she demonstrates exactly what the defense wants to show here. look, here's somebody who has known him for 40 years, who comes from that community, who thinks he does great work. she basically, no matter what you asked her, she wasn't having any of it. and that's exactly what the defense is hoping that she resonates with one of the jurors. >> marcia, do you think she resonates with jurors? >> i doubt it. te to tell you the truth, i think the jurors are going to be aware of the fact that she's anything but a neutral witness. she's very biassed. she's very much in sandusky's camp, who feels beholden to him. great grateful to him for helping take care of her son. if any of the jurors who are paying attention are probably wondering what happened with her son that she's n

mark geragos and sunny hostin. as a criminal defense attorney, mark, i'm curious to get your take on what happened. has zimmerman done real damage to his case? if you hear benjamin crump he said this is the most important ruling because it totally destroys zimmerman's credibility about the night of the shooting. >> i think -- i don't think that it totally damages his credibility. is it bad? yes. there's no sugarcoating of it. i think you might remember, anderson, we talked about this, the night you led off. i think you reported first about the money that was in that account and i said at the time i know a lot of judges that would have remanded him into custody right there and then. so this judge gave him quite a bit of string to play out before remanding him into custody. and i would tend to agree with mr. crump, i think that it will -- if he takes the stand, this is something especially because it dealt with this judge in this courtroom, that's something this judge is going to let in. having said all of that, i don

let's bring in mark geragos and former prosecutor sunny hostin. mark, let me start with you. about love letters, letters he allegedly wrote to the victims, how big of a problem is that to the defense? >> well, depends. you always hear before any of these trials start, there's always a leak right on the eve of jury selection. that's purposely done. usually comes from the prosecution's camp. they leak out this nmpls information. they try to make it look at damning as possible. i think we should wait to see what the letter says. the idea there are gifts. this is a coach, somebody in a charitable organization. they're taking at-risk youth. that is not something that necessarily is going to look damning. i agree with the reporter, though. the thing this case is going to turn on number one is obviously jury selection. and number two, how the witnesses come across. and that's what it's going to turn on. it's not going to really matter at the end of the day what the letter says. i highly doubt there's some letter that confesses any that i did it or i had sex with you or anything else

and his lawyer mark geragos told the new york post -- the evidence makes it clear that chris is the victim of all of this. which, if true, would be very important for chris brown, he's still on probation, for his conviction in 2009 of an assault on rihanna. there were reports yesterday that new york city police planned to arrest drake, that did not happen. police told abc news that they're still investigating the incident. >>> after 15 months in space, a mysterious america space plane has returned to earth. the unmanned vehicle was on a top-secret mission. it was described as classified cargo. leading to speculation that the plane was carrying an experimental satellite sensor. >>> and finally, surfing has gone to the dogs. more than 50 dogs competed in the annual surf dog competition in san diego, california. they were scored on confidence, length of ride and the ability to grip it and rip it. it's a popular event. it's a fund-raiser, making money for the aspca. the winner in the small dog category, was an australian kelpie, for the third time. >> very confident dog there. >> the australia

and it could be based on evidence provided by brown's lawyer, mark geragos. geragos told "the post," i turned over evidence that it was drake who instigated this. the evidence makes it clear that chris is the victim in all of this. which, if true, would be important for brown because he's still on probation for the 2009 assault of rihanna. the female pop star was allegedly the reason for the brawl. brown reportedly sent a bottle of champagne to drake in the nightclub. drake sent it back with a note that said, i'm still expletive the love of your life. deal with it. both dated rihanna. both have been seen with her recently. brown's management said brown never sent the bottle of champagne. there was no note. top the lies. there were no punches thrown. just glass. now, police are reviewing the video, according to "the post." and if drake doesn't agree to turn himself in, police could arrest him at a concert tonight near new york. and drake's lawyers have said that he had nothing to do with that brawl. >>> and a key u.s. ally from saudi arabia has died. crown pri

also with us, criminal dense attorney mark geragos. and rush university medical center and child psychiatry to the american medical association. mark, so these two former penn state coaches say it wasn't at all uncommon to see a coach showering with young boys. that many of the coaches did that. adult males did the same thing. this isn't really a legal question, but i've been on teams in college. i've never heard anyone on the planet do that before. does that really sound like a good defense to you? >> well, actually, i can make some jokes, but i won't. the thing i like about it. remember who they're speaking to. their audience is not me in los angeles or you in new york. their audience are 12 jurors. six or seven of which have penn state connections. strong penn state connections. they start parading witnesses, especially character witnesses, who have a penn state connection to say this is what goes on. it's not something out of the ordinary. and i'm going to tell you something. before people say this is a complete slam dunk for the pr

. >> let's talk now to criminal defense attorney mark geragos and marcia clark, author of "guilt by degreesark, 29 witnesses. the defense rested today. were they able to cast reasonable doubt, do you think? >> i think with the right jurors, and i think they got the right jurors, that this could very well end up in a hung jury. i think the -- >> really? >> i think the character witnesses got on and off the stand. i think they got on and off unscathed in terms of the character evidence. i think dottie was exactly what they needed. i think dottie is the reason he didn't take the stand. she was able to fill in some of the blanks they thought maybe he would have to put up there. but that was a high-risk proposition. and then i think ending with that idea that the investigators wanted to coach the witnesses, i think it was helpful to them. i think you'll end up seeing a hung jury. >> marcia, do you think reasonable doubt is possible? >> of course it's always possible, anderson. i think the defense hit every spot they had to hit. mark's right, they ended strong by putting on the witness who said i

also criminal defense attorney mark geragos and senior analyst jeff toobin. is it possible that the government could file more charges again them? >> they have the legal right to say tomorrow that we're going to retry him on those fife counts. i think cooler heads will prevail, this was a very marginal case to start with. >> you say marginal because? >> because it was not a conventional crime, there has never been a justice department prosecution for similar activity. you know, the deterrent effect of this case is negligible because the facts are just so odd, especially in the post citizens unite world where the supreme court is essentially deregulating american campaigns, the idea that they would try to put john edwards in prison again after failing to dramatically and spending so much time and so much money, i just think it's time to closed this shop down. >> the fact that the jury couldn't reach a verdict on five of the six counts, does that tell you anything about the case itself? i mean how often does this happen? >> it happens quite frequently, but i wi