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joining us cnn legal analyst mark geragos and nypd harry houck and ny times charles blow. does it change anything? >> not as far as the shooting is concerned. looks like the typical stop. he was courteous, asked him for information and asked questions, apparently something wrong with the car or insurance or registration and the officer is going back to the vehicle and looks like he was probably going to run him for warrants and i think this is why the gentleman had got out of the vehicle and ran. because i believe he owes $18,000. >> support payments. there's another person in the vehicle that did not run. they remain in the vehicle. mark what about what you're seeing? you've been saying all along this is evidence of broader police misconduct. this is just one video that we happen to have there are larger issues here. the traffic stop itself before mr. scott started running seems fairly benign no? >> yeah of course it is. it's doing nothing but rousing a guy. you see a black guy in a mercedes pull him over. concoct the idea there's a brake light, a third brake light violat

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joining us now, attorney former south carolina state representative bicari sellers and mark geragos and harry houck. mark let me start with you. you're a defense attorney. from the defense standpoint in this case the defense of this police officer, does what happened in that vehicle with the stop does any of that matter or is all that really matters, frankly for both sides, prosecution and defense, what happened from the time the taser was fired to the time that mr. scott was shot and killed? >> well all that really should matter is what happened between the time that the taser was fired and when he was executed, but i would imagine that his lawyer will attempt to say that between the time that there was the video running on the stop on the dash cam video and the time that the person who was a precipient witness, they do something to create a false scenario and create a diversion, so to speak, in order to try to divert the jury's attention from what really happened here which was basically an assassination. >> harry, in looking at the dash cam video, as a police officer, you actually sa

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back with the panel, dan bongino, mark geragos, and charles blow.k is there anything you could think of that could surface and i'm asking this as a defense attorney i'm talking about eyewitness accounts any of the video before this video ran, anything at all that a defense attorney is going to try to use to try to change the way this incident is being viewed? >> no. i don't think that there is because i think the biggest problem here you saw, you had played the top of the package here the, i think, shots of the local papers. the thing that's even more i think, horrible in this case is the police reports. the police reports in this case are what unfortunately i see all too often which is the police put out a script basically, a series of lies that they got or were taught at the academy or police university 101, which is i was afraid for my life the subject grabbed or wrestled for my gun or my taser or whatever it is. and i shot because of that. and then and that was the narrative that they had set out which gets set out by the way hundreds of times a

and so now, reporting for "rolling stone", glad to have you joining us mark geragos and judge alex fereror his attorney to say that he witnessed odin lloyd's murder? >> well, i don't know if it is smart, but it may have been the only move they could have played. because you can ask the jury to believe certain things is possible, but the more you ask them to accept it, the less it is to accept but maybe the blunt at the scene with the dna on it is maybe they smoked before they went to the scene and somebody else dropped it there, and the shoe print there, maybe it was not his shoe, and the casing, and at some point, you will lose the credibility of the jury and whether it was smart or not, i don't know, but you get to point where you don't have a reasonable argument that you kcan make, and then you take the best shot that you can. i don't think it is a good argument, and on the video we see that he comes back from the scene, and if you believe the defense attorney that he is a just a 23-year-old kid and the guys he was with killed the friend and he comes back home and he hands these guy s

there are a lot of people we had mark geragos on this program last night saying look maybe they found the knife afterwards and said okay we saw the clip with the knife. >> i rarely agree with mark geragos, but i agree with him on that. you would have to have x-ray vision to see a knife in someone's right front pocket. i do however, think that someone is running in a high-crime area that would give the police officers reasonable suspicion, perhaps to pursue perhaps to stop perhaps to frisk. but i still don't understand after that if in fact the knife was legal, i don't understand how it ends up in an arrest and even if there is an arrest if the knife was illegal, which some knives in maryland are, because i'm a maryland lawyer as well -- >> switchblades are illegal. >> no matter how big they are, are illegal. and allegedly what he had was a switchblade. >> we don't know for sure. if that's the case i still don't understand how the police report indicates that the arrest was without incident or force, and you have a dead man. so regardless of why he was stopped, i don't understand why h

joining us from lads,os angeles, mark geragos. mark let me start with you. what do you make of this? the police are saying that he was arrested without force or incident. that was the initial report. >> well they can say that. they can also say that they arrested him without any probable cause and for no reason at all. the idea that they're saying they arrested him for suspected criminal activity is nothing more than cop speak for we were rousting another black man. you know this idea that they're now saying well maybe we should have given him more medical attention because he had asthma? they broke his neck. that's what the injuries are. this is really -- i hate to say it we're on here week in week out. what's finally happened is you've got cell phone videos now so you understand what cops do. cops are in these inner city communities rousting these young men in a -- basically a system of criminal justice apartheid, which is what we have now. and unfortunately there's no trust in these communities of law enforcement. >> sunny, the initial report said that es

. >> mark geragos, we were all really watching through the arc of this trial, watching aaron hernandezmacking gum and smiling and laughing. then you juxtapose that with aaron hernandez of today, hearing guilty, you know smacks him emotionally. he sits down. at points he's turning around to his mother and fiance saying be strong i love you. was he coached? >> no look. i tend to agree that -- i'm surprised by it at first until i heard the closing. i thought all along that this was -- had all the earmarks of a hung jury and it was an uphill battle for the prosecution. i do not think -- in fact i would tell you i think that he is an attractive defendant, and i don't think that his actions in any way were affected or had a monumental effect on the jury. i think other things did. and that's unfortunate because i think, as linda says in a case like this if you're going to admit that he was there, you want to start that out in the beginning. it's very difficult to overcome that. i've been there with jurors before. you can't change positions in the middle of the trial because what happens is yo

joining us is criminal defense attorney mark geragos and former adviser to president obama, van jones, and former nypd detective art howe. this video shocks you? >> shocks me. there's no way that officer can justify firing those rounds at that man. >> because no matter what happened before, no matter what happened in the traffic stop -- >> you know, i think the video is very clear here. you know, the man is definitely running away. all he had to do to that officer is wait for his back-up to show up. i have been in instances where i have chased after people and say, this guy is giant. i'm going to get in a fight with him. i'll slow it down a little bit, just keep him in view and then when the officers arrive, then you jump on the guy, get him handcuffed and that's it but this shooting, i tell you, i'm so shocked. >> the guy is running. he's not a sprinter, by any means. >> exactly. >> he's lumbering along and there is a number of ways to deal with this. >> he's going along. they could have very -- there were a number of other ways to deal with it. >> definitely. you know, shooting a ma

our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin joins us right now from san francisco and legal analyst mark geragose in los angeles. good to have both of you. we've covered lots of trials where we have tried to get inside the head of jurors while they're at deliberations and wonder why they're taking so long. it's a terrible question to ask except in this case when his own attorney said he did it, what do you think could possibly be taking so long for jurors who have to click yes or no on the box? mark, i'll start with you. >> i think the jury verdict form, if you take a look at it, is 32 pages. it has subparts to it. it's as complicated a verdict form as you will see even in a civil case. and they're going through it and the way that it's worded, i think their questions today were spot-on because it just throws in there aiding and abetting and throws in there conspiracy in not exactly the best commonsensuous of the language. i think that is part of the issue and this portends well for the defense in the penalty phase because if they're focused on the aiding and abetting and the conspiracy and how