and now steve clemens, nbc contribute tore and former usa investor mark ginsberg. mark, what is the israeli calculation with glouround troo now? especially at the end of what's been a few days of the world's perception of what's going on there has not been in israel's favor. >> agreed, lawrence. there is no doubt that right now, as richard just said, it's conceivable that this is a limited time to launch missiles into israel. but there may be more here. there is no doubt that what israel would like to do see an end to hamas' political rule over gaza. israel would like to see the palestinian authority back in control of gaza. we have to wait and see yet, and it remains to be seen whether, indeed, this is a few weeks or it could turn out to be several months. the more israel gets deeper into gaza, the deeper it is basically to try to rule out hamas. the israeli cabinet, just a few hours ago, and i just read this off the hebrew text that came out of that cabinet meeting. there are ministers who are saying that our goal is to rid gaza of hamas' political control. and t

and now steve clemens, nbc contributor and former usa investor mark ginsberg. mark, what is the israeli calculation with ground troops now? especially at the end of what's been a few days of the world's perception of what's going on there has not been in israel's favor. >> agreed, lawrence. there is no doubt that right now, as richard just said, it's conceivable that this is a limited military engagement to destroy tunnels but also to deplete hamas's capacity to launch missile s into israel. but there may be more here. there is no doubt that what israel would like to do see an end to hamas' political rule over gaza. israel would like to see the palestinian authority back in control of gaza. we have to wait and see yet, and it remains to be seen whether, indeed, this is a few weeks or it could turn out to be several months. the more israel gets deeper into gaza, the deeper it is basically to try to root out hamas. the israeli cabinet, just a few hours ago, and i just read this off the hebrew text that came out of that cabinet meeting. there are ministers who are

joining me now, ambassador mark ginsberg, the form he ambassador to morocco. thanks for being with us on a busy and harrowing day for all sorts of reasons. when we see these reports of five dead in the territory in gaza, what do they need to do? >> there's really two military objectives right now for the military in israel with respect to this incursion. first of all we don't know how long this is going to last. number three, there are three major objectives with respect to military targets. one of these infiltration tunnel that's border israel. number two are the infiltration tunnels by which hamas was able to smuggle arms and missile equipment from the sinai peninsula in the southern part of gaza. the third is to degrade hamas' capacity to launch missiles into israel. and that means targeting directly the missile launching sites and in effect, where indeed these missiles are being held underground. israel cannot withdraw. cannot withdraw from this incursion without ensuring it is destroyed if not at least undermined significantly hamas' capacity to fire miss

ambassador to morocco, marc ginsberg, who also served a as a white house adviser on middle east policy and just returns from a trip from the region. and also joining us, marksanctions, why are they going further than what had been in place before and why now? because, since the last round of sanctions, there had been a continuing pattern of cheat and retreat by putin. he has retreated, but then in effect, escalated the amount of military assistance that his military has basically been smuggling across the border. despite his commitments, putin's commitments the to de-escalate, there has been a steady stream, based on u.s. intelligence, of more sophisticated air-to-ground missiles, as well as other artillery pieces that have fallen into the hands of russian separatists. the administration, and i have not been, shall we say, a consistent supporter of the administration's foreign policy on many aspects, but this is an example where the president deserves credit for providing the leadership that europe so far has not provided, in helping to thwart what has essentially been putin's capacity to avoid the spotlight when he thinks that the global spotlight has bee