joining us to debate that, former ambassador to morocco, mark ginsburg. 's edmond a. walsh school of service. welcome to you both. >> hi, kelly. >> mark ginsburg, let me ask you, there are a couple interesting thoughts about different ways this could play out. i know the question overall we're asking is it bad for u.s. business let me begin with that how do you think companies from boeing to anybody else who started to do work over there should react to this >> well, it's clearly going to be programmatic. the president laid out a 40-year indictment of iran and threatened to impose additional sanctions that are already going to make it extremely difficult for american business, particularly if he imposes additional sanctions on the international -- on the iranian revolutionary guard corps. at the same time, there are american businesses that already stuck their foot into tehran and have a $17 billion boeing deal that is pending. so the president at the same time wants to help the iranian people i think that the iranian government, particularly president rou

. >> ambassador mark ginsburg is a former presidential middle east advisor. he was the u.s. ambassador to morocco under president clinton and currently serves as senior global counselor for the counterextremism project. ambassador, welcome. thank you for joining us. >> sure, katy. >> what do our allies make of this tension between the president and the secretary of state? >> well, any time there's this type of not only tension but also credible differences of views on issues as important as iran or north korea, the transatlantic alliance or what to do about the situation in syria in the middle east, it drives a gulf between what allies can count on and what credibility the white house has versus the secretary of state. it's quite clear that most countries, most of our allies around the world do not want to see war break out on the korean peninsula. they do not want to see the iran nuclear agreement de-certified. and they clearly see a secretary of state who's individually put himself in an awkward position. and number two obviously has very little capacity to influence the p