we welcome you both to the news hour. >> thank you. >> woodruff: mark holden, why is this important to you and the leadership of koch industries? >> it's a very important issue to our leaders, charles and david koch, charles in particular. we're interested in helping people improve their lives and removing obstacles to opportunity, particularly for the disadvantaged and those who have the odds stacked against them. charles in particular is what they call a classical liberalism, believes in, that and we believe in a limited government and strong individual rights and individual liberties. we believe strongly in the bill of rights some if you bereave in individual liberty and the bill of rights and you're worried about infringement on that, there is no bigger place to be than in the criminal justice system is because that's where the greatest infringement on personal liberty starts in the criminal justice system, particularly for the poor. personally i'm interested in it. i grew up in worcester, massachusetts. i worked in a jail after my senior year of high school and freshman year of co

competence in a great service -- we should have replaced mark sullivan long-ago with someone from outside the agency who would not be but holden to interest within the agency who would change the culture, that is what you do in any organization when it is in trouble. you bring in someone from the outside. and i am afraid that president obama has guaranteed with the selection of clancy that the secret service will continue from one to another. >> host: is it helpful or hurtful that the president basically has a say over who is going to be the director? >> guest: well, the president should have a say. but at the same time the director should be confirmed by the senate, the same as the fbi director, the same as hundreds of obscure officials that you have never heard of. for example, the u.s. marshals and the 62 different districts in the country, is one of the recommendations in my book the first family detail. i'm quite sure that if that were in place and by the way some house members on both sides of the aisle have since introduced legislation to require confirmation of secret service directors. they would not have mr. clancy i

competence in a great service -- we should have replaced mark sullivan long-ago with someone from outside the agency who would not be but holden to interest within the agency who would change the culture, that is what you do in any organization when it is in trouble. you bring in someone from the outside. and i am afraid that president obama has guaranteed with the selection of clancy that the secret service will continue from one to another. >> host: is it helpful or hurtful that the president basically has a say over who is going to be the director? >> guest: well, the president should have a say. but at the same time the director should be confirmed by the senate, the same as the fbi director, the same as hundreds of obscure officials that you have never heard of. for example, the u.s. marshals and the 62 different districts in the country, is one of the recommendations in my book the first family detail. i'm quite sure that if that were in place and by the way some house members on both sides of the aisle have since introduced legislation to require confirmation of secret service directors. they would not have mr. clancy i