josh lipton is about to speak with oracle ceo mark hurd in a few moments, following the company's earningsurge >>> first up, we start with the market rally i know you have been net constructive here. did the weakness monday and rally today, is it giving you any kind of all clear? >> i think that would come sometime in early 2019 the reason is we need resolution on both the rates front and trade front, and maybe the fed wants to soothe things down, but on the trade front there's no clarity. until we have that, the up trend in the market cannot be very sustainable. >> has the market graduated from trade political concerns to overall slowdown concerns? or would clarity on the trade front be enough? >> i think that's absolutely true i think the market sentiment today is meaningfully different than september and october, and the expectation that we are facing recession, which is being built in in our view is just not correct. i think in the new year as we get closer to a more robust economic picture, i think that will fade as well. >> jim, do you agree that the markets are hostage to rates and