side of silence is obviously being vocal, but i worry, mark, and i'm picking up your book here, mark lamont's book. i wonder, though, and -- it troubles me sometimes, mark, that not only are we too silent but the only time we get vocal is when somebody has been shot in the head in the street by a cop. and there is so much more stuff between here and there that we ought to be giving voice to. we ought to be speaking truth to power and the powerless about. talk about this notion of being silent too often and only raising our voices when we have been shot by a cop. >> i think that is the point, we can't just react, there is a question of voices and organizing. part of the problem is we need more organized action. and the movement for black lives, the movements that emerged since 2014 and before have modelled a certain kind of practice. so i think that yeah, i don't want us to get shot by the policemen, i want us to be in the streets when there is an unjust shooting, but also to register to vote so george zimmerman doesn't get off. i want us to build citizen review boards and have oversight polic

so there is mark lamont hill., too. >> decent trophy. >> by the way, that's the trophy from 1980. okay? and if you look at the beginning of the video, i don't know if we can go back to the beginning, we were so excited. sean brace because they had an actual table, balloons, and it is like one of those thing, you look, you don't touch. he was celebrating with sean brace. he ran over, see the woman in the gray shirt on the left? she is like give me, give it back, calm down. and she was freaking out. don't do that. don't drop it. >> so that's the 1983 national trophy? >> sean brace just ran over and grabbed it, had you you. >> goes back to seinfeld episode where george tried to get fired, and he had the yankees world series championship trophy behind his car, and he was dragging around the parking lot. do you remember that? oh, ya. >> really? >> congratulations, nicely done. >> i was more moral support and defense support, you know? >> ball handler. >> wait a minute. >> i just got what you -- >> when were you in high