those that had lines up front is coming up next with mark lamont, hell ah and the united states constitution holds the separation of church and state as sacrosanct. it's a pillar of american democracy and a poor facet of its identity. however, in recent years has been an undercurrent of religious rhetoric and symbology, permeating political discourse. christian nationalism is a term you might have heard on the news or in speeches from some on the right. but what is it really in, is it on the rise this week and an up front special? we take a closer look at christian nationalism and how it's affecting politics and civil rights in the united states. ah, joining us to discuss this is anthia butler, chair of religious studies at the university of pennsylvania, an author of white evangelical racism, the politics of morality in america. amanda tyler, executive director of the baptist joint committee and contributing author to the christian nationalism and the january 6th insurrection report. and kristen do may professor of history at calvin university and author of jesus and john wayne, how white e