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we'll have the latest on that with "the atlantic's" mark leibovich and "the bulwark's" tim miller. m miller >>> it took more than four weeks, but the 2024 election is finally over. yesterday nbc news made a projection for the winner in the final house race that remained uncalled. it was a democrat. that leaves republicans officially in control of both the house and the senate. beth with very slim majorities. democrats are preparing for that and the incoming trump administration by reportedly shaking up the ranks of their leadership. "politico" reports that house democrats are poised to unseat several senior committee leaders, and hakeem jeffries is letting it happen. it's akin to mutiny, party lawmakers are increasingly anxious about the incoming trump administration and full gop control of congress. meanwhile, republicans are figuring out how to make use of their narrow majorities to execute on trump's agenda. republican senator tom till is acknowledged to nbc that it will be super challenging. the key is addressing all these coalitions that will threaten an unsufficient number of

joining me now is mark leibovich, staff writer at the atlantic.e. for the segment started we were playing some greatest hits real from my interviews with avenue some and retching witmer, two very popular democratic governors. i wonder as democrats think of a ticket in 2028 what their posture in the 2024 election has told you or tells you about their ambitions potentially in the 2028 election. >> i watch the clip and i watched old segments all the night at home. i'm well prepared. really what was interesting about both of those is both newsom and witmer in their own ways have confronted the other side in very direct or unwanted ways in the course of witmer, newsom has been frontal about going on fox news and talking of how important it is to talk the other side and witmer has done the same what's interesting is they could before the election. i thought it was interesting to hear whitmer say i admire the work gavin has done on president biden and vice president harris and i looked at the date and saw it was an awkward period. i do think since the el

joining us now staff writer at the atlanta, mark leibovich.ls, the politics of procrastination titled, have the conversation before it's too late. thank you for joining us this morning. so, tell us what you mean in your new piece, what conversation are these politicians, democrats, putting off? >> the notion of, this is an important conversation we must have, it's kind of a verbal tic, it's become the first dogs that people, when asked about an issue they don't want to talk about or trying to stall for time, they will put that out there. ultimately, it came down to what are larger issues which is the postponing of conversations whether it's the national debt, whether it is in the case of the democratic party, you know, what the future is an essentially democrats and i think you sort of get into this in the intro, have really put off trying to figure out who they are and i think one of the reasons for that is they haven't had a real primary in a while, and ultimately, since barack obama, they have put off conversations about who their future le

joining me now is mark leibovich, the staff writer at the atlantic. in advance. before the segment started we were playing some of the greatest hits real in my interviews with gavin newsom and gretchen witmer. i wonder as democrats think the ticket in 2028, what their posture in the 2024 election has told you or tells you about their ambitions potentially in the 2028 election? >> what was interesting, i watched the clip and i watched these segments at home so i'm well prepared but clearly, what was interesting of both segments is that both avenue some and witmer in their own ways have confronted the other side indirect or unwanted ways in the course of governor witmer. gavin newsom has talked about how important it is to talk on the other side and witmer has done the same. what's interesting before these interviews is that they occurred before the election. it was interesting to hear witmer say i admire the work he's done on behalf of president biden. it was during a different period. so since the election there's been, i wouldn't say a retrenchment, b

mark leibovich thank you for spending the closing hours of our holiday show with me tonight. i appreciate you my friend. happy new year. that's our show for tonight. have a great evening and >>> that is our show for tonight. have a great evening, and thank you, again, for spending a little of your holiday season with us. we appreciate you. we appreciate you. ♪♪ >>> hey, there, everyone, welcome to this special edition of "deadline: white house", i am in for nicolle wallace. we begin this hour with a maga civil war that is erupting over immigration. elon musk and big tech. on one side, you have maga immigration hardliners, people who voted for trump based on his extreme integration plans, including mass deportation. and on the other side, elon musk and vivek ramaswamy, and other big tech leaders who supported trump with millions of dollars in donations, but rely on immigration for high skilled workers. the two factions now feuding over the so-called h-1b visa program, which allows foreigners with technical skills to work in the united states for up to six years, but this feud