mark mckinnon and stewart stevens is still with us.t clip and what trump did today reminds me of the important quote in the new book. the collapse of our democracy is like the pandemic. whatever you say to people, it will prove inadequate at the end. is that what we are seeing with the legal issues? >> it's hard to talk because it's absurd. we called it on a show it's over the top you have bizarre characters like sydney powell, these lunatic notions about venezuela. >> you can't even believe it's. rail if someone was saying this, talk to the stewardess, they would say tell the pilot about this. person is this really okay? and, of course, trump would embrace all these people. that's the thing, all these of people around trump who ended up in the right house. it's not like they were involved in presidential politics. when mark and i were doing races, all these, people steve bannon and -- wanted to be involved but no one would let a man because they were weirdos in freaks entrant been powered all these people. >> they were the 18th interv

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joining me now to talk about all of this is master communication analyst, mark mckinnon. we've gone ten days without a house speaker. why can't a group of adults, elected officials come together to figure out how to have a path forward when, of course, i mean the stakes are so high? >> well, i mean, first of all, you got to look at kevin mccarthy sold his soul in order to get the speakership and trade off this motion to vacate which is -- it's checkoff's gun. you know somebody will use it before the play is over and they did, they took him out so they've got this crazy set of rules now and i'm not good at math but 55 votes is way short of what jim jordan will ever need so jim jordan ain't going to fly and that's what we heard from ken buck on our show last sunday. scalise isn't going to fly and if kevin mccarthy you know those guys won't fly so it's a really -- it's unfortunate, sad, particularly at a time of crisis when we need leadership so badly. >> i want to play that. you spoke with congressman ken buck on "the circus" last week about this debacle. listen. >> obvious

co-host of "the circus" on show time, mark mckinnon, political strategist. >> mark mckinnon, ever seen anything like this? >> they managed to claw the way to the bottom. it is incredible, joe, at a time of existential crisis in the world. we have no leadership in the republican congress, and we have the former president of the united states talking about our enemies as being smart. it's -- you know, at a time when we need leadership more than we can think of in recent history, there's just none there. >> mike barnicle, obviously, you spent your formative years as a reporter with people like tip o'neill, speaker of the house. we saw nancy pelosi, the way nancy ran the house. it is just beyond stunning to me. i know for most republicans that are actually in the house right now, this continues. they don't do what republicans and democrats have always done. go to conference, elect a speaker. the person that gets the majority votes, go to the floor, and do the people's business. this group of republicans refuse to do the people's business. one of the great times of crisis on the internation

and co-host of "the circus" on showtime, political strategist mark mckinnon. ark has a piece in "vanity fair" entitled, "joe biden's 2024 prospects may be dicey, but there's a plan b. non-trump, gop-led tickets in swing states." you outline a plan by no labels, which you helped co-found in 2010, writing, the question i've asked democrats repeatedly the last year or so is, if we get to next may or june and trump is beating biden in the polls by double digits, what's the plan b? the response? crickets. but there is another option. th is, no labels makes good on its pledge to ensure trump is not elected by denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. by putting a republican no labels candidate in th ballot, but only in the pivotal states, imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. in other words, backing a willing rublican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. mathematically, all you have to do is affect the outcome in a couple of these states to tilt the results in biden's favor. >> mark, this is what i haven't understood. >> that