now it looks like the committee wants to talk to mark meadows yesterday. yesterday illinois senator dick durbin, the chairman of the senate judiciary committee, indicated that he would like the opportunity to interview meadows. but you have to ask, what has the department of justice been doing for the last seven months when it comes to mark meadows? on monday night on this show, i asked the same thing about donald trump. but look, i get that prosecuting a former president for inciting a coup and trying to deprive millions of americans of a fair election process can be a bit complicated. it's unprecedented. but it shouldn't be for a now private citizen like mark meadows. why is he still a free bird, out there acting like trump's ever so loyal chief of staff? >> the magic is still there. we've been here actually working on what comes next, not only in 2024 but how we win back the house in 2022. we're looking at what does come next. i'm not authorized to speak on behalf of the president. >> okay. >> but i can tell you this, steve, we wouldn't be meeting tonigh

when it came to overturning a free and fair election in 2020, mark meadows shined up for the two. back in june he reported that in trump's final week, meadows pushed the justice department to investigate unfounded conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election, which included debunked claims of election fraud in new mexico and my personal favorite, a baseless conspiracy, a bunkers conspiracy dubbed italy gate, a fantastical theory that people in italy had to use military technology and satellites to remotely temper with voting machines in the united states, and switch votes from trump to joe biden. but there's more, emails released by the house oversight committee shows that meadows press then acting attorney general jeffrey rosen to investigate voter fraud in georgia, including one email sent january 1st that read quote, there have been allegations of signature match, anomalies in fulton county georgia, can you engage in this issue to see if there's any truth in this allegation. the very next day not only the mark meadows set up the infamous phone call where trump would

white house chief of staff mark meadows was also at the center of it. mark meadows is a man who also participated in an attempt on the life of american democracy. now, there's some conflicting reporting about how trump and clark originally got linked up. in his new book, michael bender writes mark meadows had helped introduce trump to doj attorney jeffrey clark who was putting together a secret plan to oust rosen, the acting attorney general, and force georgia to overturn its results. we know from emails released by the house oversight committee at the end of december, beginning of january, right before january 6th, that meadows was repeatedly pressing rosen to investigate so-called voter fraud, including sending one email january 1st that read, quote, there have been allegations of signature match anomalies in fulton county, georgia. i love the passive tense. there have been allegations. can you get jeff clark to engage on this issue immediately to determine if there's any truth to this allegation? meadows is asking them to call on clark because he kno

it's the real mark meadows, the north carolina mark meadows. >> well, it is.g they are talking on the fact that joe biden is wanting to put more mandates on our kids going to school, on what we do in the privacy of our home, not with vaccine passports. yet what we see is that he doesn't have any control over what's happening. when we start to see the misdirection, the direction, the misdirection back and forth going on from the cdc and from the white house, it's an inconsistent message. the truth of the matter is, dr. fauci, when i was in the white house, said that all we are going to be able to do is slow this down. that eventually everyone is going to ultimately either have an immunity to it or get it. now all of a sudden we are acting surprised by all of this. i find it just beyond the pale that we are having joe biden trying to lecture governor desantis or anyone else. governor desantis was right. don't start lecturing us until you actually start to do your constitutional duty. >> sean: are these illegal immigrants that in many cases have covid? jim jordan

joining us now, mark meadows, former trump chief of staff. re in the room where difficult decisions were made. very difficult decisions. the bungling, which doesn't even capture it come of this afghanistan, it is setting the stage for more suffering for our troops, more national security difficulties, and politically, what does it say? >> well, hope -- sadly, sinking polls is not the worst thing that is happening here. what we see is with joe biden, it is not only a bad press conference today, but we had a tragic loss of american soldiers, marines, navy corpsmen. their lives today. and it's not going to be the end. the decisions that have been made, not just by joe biden, but by chairman millie, by secretary austin, when they gave the best military advice and they said that they were surprised that this would happen, it's not consistent with what i know, it is not consistent with what many in the intel community knows, and quite frankly, it's just not the truth. this was 100% avoidable. heads need to roll. you know why -- joe biden was knockin

j john, this is why it's so important that jim jordan and kevin mccarthy and mark meadows and all ofnaed and get their butts in front of that select committee. >> they're not going to talk, though, joe. do you expect they actually will? >> no. i don't think they'll show or adhere to a subpoena but they should still be issued and delivered those subpoenas. brianna, the most important things we need to find out are how and why did january 6th happen? trump incite d it. but then trump's behavior that day, we know from reports that he sat in front of the tv and che cheered on these supporters. he was speaking to jrnd and he was speaking to mccarthy multiple times that day. >> we'll see what that means. what is it for a member of congress to ignore a congressional subpoena? >> true. >> we may be seeing that soon. good to have you here. >> thanks, brianna. >>> a father's text message that he should have gotten the damn vaccine. his fiance will join us live. >>> plus president obama planning a birthday party for hundreds of guests. hear what covid precautions are being taken. scientific cle

and again ivanka was involved in this and mark meadows, and several other people. it is notable how few people there were however in the white house at this point on january 6. i tried to count how many and you are really talking about a relative handful of people, mostly everyone had gotten out. quick with mark meadows conduct covid shortly after the election that sort of literally open the door to all sorts of influence on the former president. how big of a moment was that? how big of a loss to have his chief of staff at that point down with kobe for several weeks? >> it's one of the things it wasn't just meadows but among the people around the president who had worked, this the first impeachment case of a meadows getting in any way the president always shopping for someone to tell him exactly what he wanted to hear. that allowed rudy giuliani to come back into the white house. >> we have michael woke with us (202)748-8000 for democrats 202-748-8001 for democrats, independents 8002 but we do have calls waiting we do have a question for you on text, jimbo from bak

look, i don't know what happened to mark meadows.s never a moderate republican, but he did seem to be a person who was based in reality before he went into the white house. i think that there's just this intoxicating details about this. i'd rather rip off my toenails than have dinner with the trump family, but some people just love it. this is ridiculous what meadows is doing but it does have real political impact. if you look at the virginia governor's race, glenn youngkin, who might be a mitt romney style republican, gets asked about this stuff, about trump getting reinstated in august. and he says, well, you know, that's going through the courts. the courts have to deal with it. so it's not just meadows playing pretending at bedminster, it's people who are running for serious office that have to do it as well. >> and you know, juanita, this is all playing out while the republican party and members of the republican party are trying to make us believe this counternarrative about january 6th. about trying to turn ashli babbitt, turn

>> the most charitable explanation is mark meadows is playing to the audience of one, donald trump.is watching this, mark meadows is actually one of the people who has spoken less about the idea of fraud, publicly he seems to me to straddle a line and while that's fine and, you know, i understand that he has his constituencies with president -- form er president trump, there' a bunch of people who believe this conspiracy theory which is false that he could get eninstated. trump himself tried to push his own aides to talk about that idea publicly. a bunch resisted doing it. mark meadows is not a dumb man, knows if he is saying something like that, there is a risk that people are going to hear it and going to take it seriously. i realize that harkens back to the whole literally seriously debate with donald trump was pretty meaningless. the reality is that former presidents don't have cabinets and don't have cabinet meetings. this creates this -- that's not how we describe election meetings in this country. and this just creates this expectation for some of trump supporters who are loo

it was weird the language mark meadows used. it's not the cabinet.binet. >> former cabinet, exactly. >> the former president. the former cabinet. it's clearly not the cabinet. with that teaser at the end, we wouldn't be meeting like this if we weren't planning to make things official. he hasn't yet made it official. what is clear even with donald trump dropping hints and talking to people in private, the capacity to raise an enormous amount of money. and that has to give concerns to thinking they could throw the hat in the ring, people like desantis, mike pence, other people who think if donald trump were the head of the republican ticket in the next election they couldn't win back the white house. >> it sounds like at least in their minds they're operating a shadow presidency and, by the way, he said that on news max, the exact audience that might get worked up over the cabinet meetings. what are the implications of this? >> trying to keep his options open and supporters happy and mark meadows is fully onboard trying to keep his supporters happy. an

trying to lead him to water and kushner was in his favor, he thought it was a no-brainer once mark meadowsguess said we cannot do this thepresident agreed with meadows . so i think the president thought meadows a good sense of what the base would go for . at the beginning of the book one of the reasons is alex cesar is out-of-favor is because he tried to almost lure trump into banning these cigarettes and flavored baking at the base went bananas over that so it varies for policy changes in how they would affect the base. a lot of times he ended up bending in whatever direction they wanted. >> this next question from krista. i'll optimistic are you about our ability to combat the coronavirus over the long-term with the dangerous variance that keep on emerging the stalling in us vaccinationrates ? what barriers and in our way? >> that's a great question. i think obviously the country is in a much better place with the vaccines unfortunately the vaccines shown to be highly effective against all the variance so far but i think with the delta variance especially across parts of the country wher

this might work, this will help you and kushner was in favor, he thought it was a no-brainer, and mark meadows, no, the base will go bananas, and we can't do this. and the president agreed with meadows. the president thought that meadows had a good sense what the base would go for. you know, at the beginning of the book, one of the region that alex azar is kind of out of favor is because he tried to almost lure trump into banning e-cigarettes and vaping and the base went bananas over that. and trump was in tune with policy changes and the base and ended up bending in whatever direction they wanted. and this question is from krista. >> how optimistic are you about our ability to combat the coronavirus with the dangerous variants and the stalling in u.s. vaccination rates? what factors might enhance our success and what barrier stands in our way? >> that's a really great question. i think, obviously, the country's in a much better place with the vaccines and fortunately the vaccines have shown to be highly effective against the variants so far, but i think with the delta variant especially in po

he thought it was a no-brainer .but mark meadows was absolutely not, the base will go bananas, we canis and the president agreed with meadows. i think thepresident thought meadows had a good sense of what the base would go for . but at the beginning of the book one of the reasons alex a czar is kind of out of favor is because he tried to almost lure trump into banning e cigarettes and flavored they thing and the base weapon and is over that so trump was attuned to policy changes and how it would affect the base and he would bend whatever direction they wanted. >> this question is from krista. how optimistic are you about our ability to combat the coronavirus over the long-term with the dangerous variance keep onemerging and the stalling in us vaccination rates . what additional barriers stand in our way? >> that's a great question. obviously the country is in a much better place with the vaccine and fortunately the vaccines have shown to be highly effective against all the variance so far. but i think with the delta variance especially in pockets of the country where they have less th

kushner was in favor, it was a no-brainer but mark meadows, the base will go bananas, we can do that e president agreed with meadows so the president thought meadows had a good sense of what the base would go for. at the beginning of the book one reason alex azar is out-of-favor is he tried to almost lord trump into banning the cigarettes and the base went bananas over that so trump was very attuned to policy changes, a lot of times he ended up bending in whatever direction they wanted. >> the question from krista, how optimistic are you about our ability to combat the coronavirus over the long-term with the dangerous variance the keep emerging and stalling and us vaccination rates, what factors make cancer success and what barriers stand in our way? >> great question. the country is in a better place at the vaccine. the vaccines have shown to be highly effective against all the variants so far but with the delta variant in pockets of the country where they have 30% or 40% of the region vaccinated that will be a problem. health officials are anticipating outbreaks in the fall and the

it's hard to say for people like mark short and mark meadows.approach to this was in line with their general belief and approach to government that the government shouldn't have a heavy hand in these type of things and it should be up to people to decide. i think they would probably not change their minds on how they felt about mask mandates because they feel like that individual choice and not something that should be imposed by the government and we know throughout the year they bought a lot of this was the overblown and that the doctors were just advising things that were too draconian. >> i was told that damien as a cheesy story about how he always wanted to write a book since he was a little kid and now that your dream has been realized i was wondering if you could share with us. >> thank you. when i was 12 or 13 i was on an airplane and i was or some reason not sitting with my parents but there was a stranger sitting next to me and i was reading a book and he was talking to me like what's your favorite book and i told him at the time my fa

>> i know mark meadows. i served with him. but mark meadows, he has to answer questions.he white house at the time. you know, based on a lot of reports he seemed to be aiding and abetting mr. trump, former president trump in his attempt to try to change the election outcome. so i think it's fair game that mr. meadows and others in that white house answer questions about their role leading up to insurrection day. and not only -- not just what happened on that day but what happened prior to election day, and this is one of those i think seminal moments we need answers, need some clarity. the american public deserves to know. >> we hope we can get you to a studio next time. we know you had some issues but you came through perfectly clear on your voice. >> can i make a very quick point to charlie? the fulton county d.a. may yet prosecute trump. he's considering -- she is considering prosecuting trump for the raffensperger call so that might happen. >> thank you very much. see, we got it loud and clear. >>> so do you need a third shot of the vaccine? americans could benefit. t

that toerl aspirationings of donald trump, which have always been there for decades, as well as mark meadows and jeffrey clark, men whose names should live in infamiliary. it was part of a tradition that is being cultivated and revived on the right that comes from a contempt for the voters and a contempt more deeply for democracy. freedom, liberty and democracy. there's been a long conservative lineage in rejecting democracy. you envount countered it, i'm sure. drawn from the fact that indeed our founding document has a complicated relationship to democracy, to self-rule. the fact that the electoral college is enshrined as an institution, we don't have a popular vote for. even though we should. the current system has resulted in dafrsz. the idea that supreme court justice antonin scalia explained is, quote, the individual citizen has no right to vote for electors of president of the united states. rick hassan explains article 2 of the constitution of the united states provide that state legislatures get to set the manner for setting elections. similarly article 1 section 4 gives the legislat

>> that is correct. >> sean: thank you very much, mark meadows, ari fleischer. when.rschel walker declaring his senate candidacy in the great state of georgia. he will join us next. ♪ ♪ georgia. he will join us next. every single day, we're all getting a little bit better. we're better cooks... better neighbors... hi. i've got this until you get back. better parents... and better friends. no! no! that's why comcast works around the clock constantly improving america's largest gig-speed broadband network. and just doubled the capacity here. how do things look on your end? -perfect! because we're building a better network every single day. ♪ ♪ >> sean: the crop of 2022 republican candidates got stronger as herschel walker announced that he is jumping into the g.o.p. senate primary to take on incumbent democrat raphael warnock, take a look. >> i'm conservative not because someone told me to be, i'm conservative because i believe in smaller government, a strong military, a personal responsibility to making sure all people have the opportunity to pursue their dreams, that'

what i've read about mark meadows is over tours to the department of justice they were floating eveniracies about, you know, people in italy orchestrating campaign results and fraud against donald trump through, i don't know, spacecraft or computers or whatever. you know, they were just taking up the most random conspiracy theories online and then seeing if they could get the united states department of justice to embrace them and simply state well, these election results are contaminated in particular states so that trump and meadows could put pressure on republican legislatures. they are just to a point trump electors. so these people have identified every vulnerability and boobie t -- boboby trap and that's a vey dangerous thingy trap and that's a very dangerous thing we'll have to look at as not just a committee but a country. the ultra poll litization and corruption of the system. >> you'll have a lot of work to do. jamie raskin, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me, wolf. >> we'll have more news right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ summer is a state of mind, y

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and according to emails that have been turned over to capitol hill, five times mark meadows, the formero rosen asking him to look into election fraud claims that have not yet been proven, that have been disproven and debunked. but still asking him to question the results in georgia and new mexico and other states. rosen resisted but dick durbin, the senate judiciary chairman, told me earlier today that he does want to have a chance to talk to mark meadows. he said, quote, i'd like to have the opportunity to interview him. now, meadows declined to comment to us about whether he would actually voluntarily agree, and if he does not, then they would have to subpoena him. you would need support from a republican. the republican ranking member chuck grassley told me that he would not yet commit to this, he wanted to talk about this further. the house select committee is launching its own investigation into january 6th, about their efforts to try to overturn the electoral results. the house is different, they can issue subpoenas without the support of republicans. so undoubtedly meadows will c

mark meadows. talk to you about a president that is fully engaged. > he does. >> we laugh because it's also stunning and it's also dangerous, because there are so many voters -- so many republican-base voters that think trump won the election and biden is an illegitimate president. meadows is furthering the conspiracy as if there's a shadow government as though trump is still president or going to return to the presidency in a matter of weeks or months which is inaccinaccur. meadows is doing it because he knows that's what the base wants. >> will something else keep donald trump from running? we don't know. he wants the option open. he wants the republican party to think i'm sheriff. don't think about it. the question is what happens in the meantime? should he invest to prove i still have the juice or should he pull back because we've seen a couple examples where his candidate has lost in primaries. i don't want to overblow the meanings, but a long time donor says to me the $64,000 is how much money he's spending in the primarys? is he going to save i

so mark meadows is in on the plot, obviously. and clark, and trump, together, have a plan. and here's what appears to have been. they were going to that had been pumped into the atmosphere by trump and repeated by his allies, and the right-wing media. and use that to have the department of justice officially sent a letter to the six most closely contested states, five of which have republican-controlled legislators. and, say hey, this is the official blessing the u.s. department of justice telling you the results in your state are tainted, they can't be trusted, we don't really know who won, and by the, way you have the constitutional authority to call a special session, select the trump electors and send them over to washington. keep in mind, the republicans running the state legislatures are a receptive audience, they're the same people who in michigan went completely nuts over the governor's public health measures, or the legislators and arizona who are running the sham election audit, or in georgia who just passed a law to make voting much harder. they're all ears, gene

the chair of the senate wants to talk to mark meadows. for a subpoena. we learned meadows helped push those false theories. we've seen five emails from meadows in late december, early january where he asked the acting d.o.j. to look into fraud in georgia and new mexico. meadows even asked d.o.j. to investigate what was a far flung conspiracy theory that people in italy had used military technology and satellites to remotely switch votes for trump -- for trump to biden. and we know that rosen declined to set up a meeting between the fbi and a man who is promoting those italy conspiracy theories. so, erica, there is a lot of question about mark meadows, any role that he played -- any more role, anyway, that he played in pushing these false claims. erica? >> jessica snyder, appreciate it. thank you. >>> this morning, civil arrest warrants for 52 texas house democrats will be delivered to the sergeant at arms. the lawmakers left the state last month to block the passage of restrictive voting bills. yesterday the texas supreme court avoided a l

i know mark meadows, i served with him. but mark meadows has -- he has -- has to answer questions. house, at the time. you know, based on a lot of reports, he seemed to be aiding and abetting mr. trump. former-president trump in his attempt to, you know, to try to -- try to change the -- the election outcome. so, i -- i think it's fair game that mr. meadows and others in that white house answer questions about their role leading up to insurrection day. and not only just -- not just what happened on that day, what happened prior to election day. and this is one of those, i think, seminal moments that we need -- we need some answers, we need some clarity. the american public deserves to know. >> charlie, thank you. harry, thank you very much. >>> next, we hope we can get tou a studio next time. we know you had some issues but you came through perfectly clear in your voice. >> very quick point, though. can i make a very quick point? >> yes, sir. >> the fulton county d.a. may, yet, prosecute trump. he is considering -- she is considering prosecuting trump for the raffensperger call. so

thoughtwas in favor, he it was a no-brainer but mark meadows says we cannot do this, and the presidentagreed with meadows so i think the president bought meadows had a good sense of what the base would go for, book onening of the reason alex azar is out-of-favor is because he tried to lure trump into banning e cigarettes and they went bananas over that so trump was very attuned to changes and how they would affect the base and a lot of times he ended up bending in whatever direction they want. >> this is from krista, how are you about our ability to combat the coronavirus long-term dangerous variant that keep on emerging and u.s. vaccination rates? what factors might enhance our success and what barriers stand in our way? >> that is a great question, are you think thete country is in a better place with the vaccine and fortunately vaccines have been shown to be highly effective against the variant but i think with the delta variant especially in parts of the country where they have less than 30 or 40% of their region vaccinated, it's going to be a big problem and help officials anticip

christmas was in favor, he thought it was a no-brainer but mark meadows, we cannot do this. eadows so i think the president thought of meadows having a good sense of what the base would go for. the beginning of the book, it's out-of-favor because he tried to almost luer trump into banning e-cigarette flavors vaping and they went bananas over that so trump was attuned to this and a lot of times he at that up bending in whatever direction they want. >> this is from krista, how optimistic are you about our ability to come after the coronavirus long-term with the dangerous variant that keep on emerging and u.s. vaccination rates? what factors make enhance our success and what stands in the way? >> that is a great question. obviously the country is in a better place with the vaccines andth fortunately the vaccines have shown to be highly effective against the variance so far butut i think with the adoptive parents especially in the country where they have less than 30 or 40% of recent vaccinated, that's when to be a big problem in health officials into separate outbreaks in the fa

i it's hard to say for people like mark sure andu' meadows, their approach was very much in line witheir general beliefs and approach to government that the government shouldn't have a handy hand in these kind of things and they probably wouldn't change their mind on how they felt about masks or mask mandates because they feel it's an individual choice and not something that should be imposede by the government. we know that throughout the years they thought a lot of this was being overblown and that the doctors were just kind of advising things that were too draconian. >> i have been told that damien has a story about how he always wanted to write a book since he was a little kid and now that your dream has been realized i'm curious if you can share with us. >> sure. thank you. when i was 12 or 13 i was on an airplane and for some reason there was a stranger sitting next to me. he was talking to me like what's your favorite book and at the time it was a book called there's a boy in the girls bathroom. so we get off the plane and the guy p is like i wrote that booko as a kid without a

mark meadows, for example, the chief of staff, strikes me as somebody who would be very important toerstand his role. people who talked to jeffrey clark, and anyone else. who might have n prosecutors can use legal process to get e-mails, text messages, other documents to help understand what was going on in people's communications. >> if, though, the president is able to exert executive privilege, would someone like mark meadows be able to skirt around testifying? >> quite possibly. one of the things about executive privilege, it's not absolute, so the supreme court has said it must used at times when there is a criminal investigation that's pending. so i think ultimately the judd department if it needs information for a criminal investigation, could get it, but the exercise of 3ri68 in the courts could delay any further resolution. >> barbara, thank you as all, for breaking it down. >>> i want to turn to the battle against covid. chief white house medical advisory dr. anthony fauci, saying his's hopeful the cdc will grant full approval to the vaccine by the end of this month, and ta

mark meadows, his family, and others. i'm sure they're going to try to fight that legally, any request they think would be privileged. so i would watch that. but this document dump is going to inform the entire investigation. i'll tell you what, i would be very nervous if i were some of the congressional -- or at least house republicans who may have had conversations with the president. they're going to want to know what happened prior to january 6 and what happened shortly thereafter. i mean, even the georgia issue could -- you know, the georgia election intervention could also become part of this conversation as well. i would be very nervous if i were anybody within trump's orbit who may have had conversations with him on or around that time. >> thank you, gentlemen, appreciate the conversation. thanks so much. >>> as the security situation in afghanistan deteriorates, we're learning tonight 20 students from san diego and members of their families are stranded inside the country. one family with five children, part of t

. >> sean: i had mark meadows, he's one of a few sources that i have that confirmed to me a phone callhat your father had when he spoke the first time to the taliban leader. and in essence, and your dad kind of confirmed it when he was on the show last night, the call went something like this. you saw what di to the cal fate. you saw how i destroyed them in record time. let me be very clear. if any comma is missed, any dot to any agreement you violate, if any harm comes to any one american, what you saw in my defeat of the cal fate will be nothing in comparison, and that apparently, your father said, do you understand me? he said these words. do you fully understand what i'm telling you what will happen? apparently they -- then your father said and in kind of trumpian form, okay, now we can begin our negotiations. that was confirmed to me by numerous people. i doubt joe biden had that as part of his plan. >> no, joe biden got rid of all contingencies. had they violated any of those things they would have been droning on the roads coming in but joe biden didn't want to do that. joe bide

one other interesting thing from the emails of mark meadows, he started raising this name, jeffrey clark. get jeffrey clark involved. >> we spoke with former ambassador bolton about that. he was in the civil rights division. where does he fit in this and how much pull did he have? >> so bolton was correct jeffrey clark falls below rosen and donohue in the pecking order. clark was trying to run the coupe from inside d.o.j. he was connecting with trump trying to get them to send this crazy letter to georgia which he refused to do. jeffrey clark tried to take over. we heard people talk publicly about this, meaning it happened at the white house, which people have said was like the game show apprentice. it was deadly serious where they were both making their case for a. z a.g. jeffrey clark was choose me, i have your back on election fraud. choose me, i'm quitting, he's quitting. he backed off. it was that close to jeffrey clark becoming attorney general. >> it was not for lack of trying. >> absolutely. >> all right. where does the current attorney general stand in this drama me? >> merrick

the chairman of your committee dirk du dick durban wants to interview mark meadows. do you have any indication meadows would speak to the committee? would you subpoena him? do you believe he'll be forthright? >> we've already asked some potential witnesses to come before us like jeff clark who did trump's bidding unlike other top officials. we have no guarantee they will appear. our subpoena powers may be somewhat limited as a practical matter. i wish i could talk more about the details of what we've seen and heard. you're absolutely right, dick durban as chairman will make the call whether to seek subpoena power and what other witnesses will be called but there is plenty to do here and the american people deserve accountability. we need to know all of what happened so it doesn't happen again and so whatever happens in the legal courts, we know that there is some justice in the court of public opinion as people assess who aided and abetted donald trump in this extraordinary pressure campaign. >> so i want to ask you one more thing. the senate finally passed the bipart

mark meadows has a meeting with rosen and several others, the top sick voter fraud.anuary 1st, meadows again e-mails rosen and in this e-mail meadows chief of staff to the president of the united states sends rosen a youtube video. it thaux about italks about italian satellites fixing the u.s. election. i'm not kidding you. this comes from the rosen e-mailed this, responds, pure insanity. january 2nd, trump again picks up the phone and calls georgia action top election officials, including the secretary of state brad raffensperger. >> all i want to the do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> okay. and that was just one of 18 attempted calls to the secretary of state since election day. and that weekend, january 3rd, trump appears to abandon his threats to replace rosen after top justice officials threatened to resign en mass. two days before the election, this is what we heard from trump publicly. >> over the past few weeks, we've demonstrated that we've won the election in a happened slide. the fact

if there can be testimony from mark meadows, how significant do you think that would be in laying outy the former president and his top aides to pressure the justice department to intervene and overturn the election. >> it could be very significant. obviously mr. meadows was there, he was there, present, having a lot of conversations with former president trump. he would i think present significant evidence of trump's state of mind, but, of course, i don't expect mr. meadows to be forthcoming with the committee. i think he has to be concerned about potentially false statement to congress charge if he's not forthcoming. i think that would be what i would expect him, potentially trying to min mice the former president's conduct. >> you think he may not be forthcoming, but first they have to get him there. he's declined to comment about talking with the senate judiciary committee. if he doesn't come voluntarily, the panel will have to subpoena him which will require buy-in from republicans. >> that's right. and not only that, i would expect meadows to fight it in court. it could save som

however, mark meadows in touch with trump that day. jared kushner. the house, mccarthy and jim jordan both admitted talked that they had conversations with donald trump on that day. also, we know the committee is going to go out and get phone records, key communications and bringing me back to my prosecutor days. this is what a sample phone record from verizon will look like. it will tell you what number is making the call. what number is receiving the call exactly what date and to the second what time that call was made and finally over here how many seconds long that call was. so this is going to tell you who was in touch with who in those key moments leading up to and during and after the attack. finally, we know that there have been very broad requests for all these federal agencies. the one that's really interesting to me is the national archives. you may be thinking, why the national archives? that's where the parchment copy of the declaration of independence are. they have the trump white house records. >> so executive privilege, former presid

based on false statements offered by the white house and the president chief of staff meadows mark meadows calling in the secretary of defense, the secretary of the army to did nelson for considering putting my name on the promotion list you know how far down in the weeds that is that is crazy stuff and ultimately like i said earlier dropping the paperwork on the last day was a wednesday and within two days i had my retirement orders people don't understand how improbable that is in the military is a year-long process it takes six months to get your orders they turned my orders in today's on that same day they pre-positioned a list i had been held up for months at that point they were supposed to come out in april and didn't release until july and they held it for months in the same day my retirement was approved and they were happy to put the list forward and i wouldn't be able to continue to serve in my twin brother is his story to tell and i don't want to go too far into it and he continues to suffer some of the same stigma with their proper actions to the state. >> that is insane to me

of state, former secretary of state mike pompeo has confirmed, the president has confirmed it, mark meadowsed it, you are the white house press secretary at the time, and that is the taliban, the reason not a single american died in the last year plus of donald trump's presidency, in afghanistan, in large part was due to the president's very strong admonition, warning, backed up by what he had done to the caliphate and defeated them in syria, et cetera. my question is, when they make the statement that somehow i inherited the trump plan, the trump plan wouldn't have allowed them to take ten, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60% of the country on their march all the way up to speed 32. that's the big difference, kayleigh. what insight can you bring to us? >> yes, let me be categorical. i was in the room, i was there with president trump. this would have never happened under president donald j. trump. never. the taliban was on notice. you just heard secretary pompeo lay that out. the taliban looked and they saw what happened to soleimani, who president trump took out. they saw what happened in syria, when the

effort that we are now learning more and more about from donald trump at the helm of it through mark meadows and others to overturn this election. and so the fact that donald trump was threatening to fire jeffrey rosen, the doj, because he was not doing enough to call out the corrupt, quote/unquote, election in georgia, and the fact that he was trying to get the military involved and that he was pressuring brad raffensperger in georgia and other state officials, what i would do as a prosecutor is take a step back and look at all of the different efforts that donald trump undertook himself to overturn this election and i would put everything this context and then with january 6th as kind of the culmination of that effort. but if you narrow it to january 6th, it's a much tougher case, and i think you feed to broaden it out and see if there is a conspiracy among donald trump and others, perhaps some involved in january 6th on the front lines, but some involved perhaps behind the scenes. >> 30 seconds left. i want to ask. you mentioned others. the citizens for responsibility and ethics submitted

if mark meadows and dan hoffman. joining is now alive is the 45th president of the united states mr. donald j. trump. let me go back -- i have had a number of people tell me that they were very specific conditions and very specific warnings that you gave personally to the taliban, and joe biden is trying to blame w you. i'd like to first give you an opportunity to respond to that, your assessment of what's going on and what was that conversation to the extent that you are able to share it with us? >> it's good to be with you but it's terrible time for our country. i don't think in all of the years our country has ever been so h humiliated. i don't know. would you call it a military defeat or psychological defeat?l we can go back to jimmy carter with the -- that this is many times worse and you are doing with thousands and thousands of americans and others are stranded and very dangerously -- billy stranded in afghanistan. so it's something, you can't even believe that a thing t like this. i looked at that big monster

mark meadows said something in a recent interview that donald trump is doing to be reinstated as president wanted to join you to talk about really a president that is fully engaged, highly focused and remaining on task. >> well, we met with some of our cabinet members tonight. we actually had a followup member meeting with some of our cabinet members. >> what cabinet is he talking about? i mean, what world is he living in now and how dangerous is this? >> he's absolutely fueling the whole complete conspiracy theory that somehow donald trump can be reinstated by talking about president, not ex president, talking about a cabinet meeting and he's fueling those fires and let's be clear, mark meadows is a smart guy. >> yes. >> and it's everything that donald trump seems to get dumber. either that or he feels compelled to just kiss up to that audience of one in a performative way on news mags but he's absolutely fueling these fires and it's just, you know, it is somebody who has given rid of his senses and soul out of service to this cult of personality. >> how about mark johnson. good to see yo

multiple times, she was brought down by mark meadows the chief of staff to return to the office to try again to persuade her father to make a stronger statement no, no, just a little stronger, to call off the dogs essentially. i take your point though and we are really on guard for this and in the reporting. i take your point that it's a very effective and calm her for her father at least as the storm was growing and was obvious to so many. >> it seemed they were kind of mia during those weeks. and then of course, ivanka's one statement herself on her twitter feed was calling the american patriots and telling them to go home, which of course she deleted. let me ask you, i think that one of the things you've done so effectively which has been so opaque, what is your sense of getting the national guard troops to the capitol hill. is there any evidence that he was resisting it on january 6th? talk a little bit about that because i think that you drove minute by minute. what was going on, talk about that role on january 6th. >> that is an important question. reporting shows that it played

the president's chief of staff mark meadows call it in the secretary of defense, the secretary of thearmy to denounce them for considering putting my name on a promotion list. do you know how far down in the weeds that is? it's just crazy stuff. and then ultimately like i said earlier, drop my paperwork on elastic, who was a wednesday. within two days i had my retirement orders. people don't understand how improbable that is in the military. it is a year-long process. it takes six months to get your orders. they turned my orders in two days. on that that day, same day they pre-positioned this list that event held up for months. as to those becoming out in april. they didn't release it until july and held it for months and the same day my retirement was approved, they were happy to put the list forwarded. so everything really kind of justified that i wouldn't be able to kind of continue to serve. and my twin brother, you know, it's his story to tell. i do want to really go too far into it but he continues to suffer some of the same stigma associated with our proper actions to this day.

changeover, but i have to run right now we do have the president on the line, thank you both, mark meadows, dan hoffman, joining us live is the 45th president on the united states donald j. trump. mr. president, thank you for being with us. let me go back, i want -- i have had a of people tell me that they were very specific conditions and very specific warnings that you gave personally to the taliban. joe biden is trying to blame them, i went first to have an opportunity to respond to that, your assessment of what is going on and what was that conversation to the extent you feel you are able to share it with us? >> well, it's good to be with you, sean, but it is a terrible time for our country. i don't think in all of the years our country has ever been so humiliated. i don't know what you call the military defeat or a psychological defeat, there is never been anything like what's happened here. you can go back to jimmy carter with the hostages. we all thought that was a great embarrassment, and we were pulled out of that by ronald reagan. this is many, many times worse. and you are deali