i am. >> you say you hate mark meadows.ou wouldn't have gone to him in the case of this press aide or anything else. >> no. >> tell us why you hate mark meadows. >> when he began, i was in quarantine for three weeks with potentially having covid because i had been exposed to bolsonaro's press person at mar-a-lago. he was calling all the time, asking me about my staff. i was explaining to him how things were working. he kept saying, "will you do a press conference?" i said, yes, if i'm ever asked, i'll do a press conference. he started dismantling my team. he wanted me to bring people in that i didn't feel comfortable bringing in. he had this way of being very dishonest, if i'm just -- you know, he'd say, "oh, everything is fine. you're safe. i don't know what's going on." then, you know, i'd hear leaks that i was going to be pushed out. i finally was the one who resigned. he didn't push me out. i resigned to go back to mrs. trump as chief of staff. when i was in the east wing, he actively worked to get the president to beli

he would be indicted by a grand jury and he would go to trial. >> it seems mark meadows -- >> if he is convicted, you can serve up to a year in jail. >> meadows being the chief of staff at the time of all of this, he seems to potentially have a stronger executive privilege case than anybody else. >> remember executive privilege claim is the president's, not the official. it's all about him, his right to receive advice without fear it will become public. the further away you get from a sitting president and the president himself and his inner circle, the weaker the claim becomes. >> is there a chance this would go to trial? >> sure. the last person to be cited for contempt of congress was rita lavelle during the reagan administration over the epa superfund thing. she was tried. she was acquitted. >> that trial would be in the district of columbia? >> yes. federal court here. >> a jury trial? >> yes, most likely. >> one would assume this thing isn't going to go to trial. >> if he is charged, he has a pretty serious choice then to plead guilty. >> this takes up time. how much time are we

but mark meadows and cash patel are in communications with the select committee and they may feel theyeed to cooperate and head over documents in part because it is going to be difficult to make a legal lock -- argument that these people should not participate in the select committees questioning and that documents should not show to them when former president trump did not try to stop former justice apartment officials from testifying. as we see from the testimony released by the judiciary committee, it is a full account of many of the matters that people like mark meadows would be questioned. how can the president allow the former attorney general to have this discussion on the committee about the same matters they want to speak to mark meadows about but say he cannot share the same information. yamiche: you also wrote about the senate report that detailed what president trump was trying to do with the department of justice to overturn the 2020 election. there are reports that he or his allies were calling the doj, sometimes multiple times a day. what did this reveal about how far he

but the committee agreed to post possess deny sips for mark meadows, kash patel and dan have a scavino. >>> but we begin with the health scare for bill clinton recovering from a noncovid-19 related infection. his team says the former president is in good spirits after being diagnosed with a urological infection that then became a broader infection. the 75-year-old clinton who had quadruple bypass surgery in 2004 and two stints in 2010 could be released as early as today. joining me now is miguel almaguer outside the hospital and also dr. john torres. miguel, what are you hearing from the hospital officials or the clinton team? >> reporter: well, the former president is said to be on the mend and in good spirits. of course he is now spending his fourth day at the hospital here at the uc irvine medical center. he was admitted tuesday after feeling ill. and sources to nbc news say that he was diagnosed with a urinary infection that morphed into something more serious. his doctors released a statement that said that his white blood cell count is trending down and he is responding to anti-b

kash patel and mark meadows are apparently cooperating with the committee.heir depositions have been postponed, but it is believed they are still going to happen. i want to bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent and white house correspondent for pbs news hour and moderator of washington week on pbs and former federal prosecutor. the committee wants to make taxes, but i said it. it's not like there are u.s. marshals banging down bannon's door today. walk us through the process, and because it's a bit of a long process, could this thing still get detailed? >> yeah, it is a long process, and what's going to happen is the committee is going to convene next week where they will vote to recommend that the house of representatives send bannon's contempt to the department of justice, and then the full house is going to have to take that vote, and then after it does, presumably, that will pass, it goes to the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia, where they will decide if they press charges or not. if the district attorney -- if the attorney presses charges, t

mark meadows is a public servant.is congress a long side elijah cummings who wasn't spread. his calling is as an american first. he needs to come forward and say absolutely everything he knows about the insurrection, what happened before, who helped plan it, what was the president doing all day long? why was he avoiding coming forward with the national guard to protect his own vice president and congress. mark meadows needs to help up as an american and speak up and say i am here. i will go under oath. i'll tell you everything i know. >> we shall see one should hope. congresswoman madeleine dean, appreciate your time. >>> up next, a supreme court justice directly went after my next guest for being inflammatory because he dared to point out the conservative court is acting politically. i looked, served and i cannot detect the lie. we'll discuss when we come back. we'll discuss when we come back. everything. but then ray went from no to know. with freestyle libre 14 day, now he knows his glucose levels when he needs to.

pack, were you aware of this white house chief of staff visit by mark meadows? answer. i found out through the press. okay. when did you learn about it. i think it was the day, immediately day of or right after. question, did you learn anything about it? answer, i thought it was highly unusual. question, why did you think it was unusual. answer, in the middle of the process t white house chief of staff would come visit, have a meeting with the secretary of state? i don't raug that ever happening in the history of the united states. what the president was going 'zo in mr. pak's words, bat bleep crazy. he was ultimately fired as u.s. attorney. his firing came down from the white house. he was told to resign after he told senior justice officials how mad he was that none of the claims he made were being backed up by b.j. pak's office. he wanted them in places like georgia to say that there was massive centimeter election fraud that was under incrimination and they were somehow potentially criminal. b.j. wouldn't say that, so he had to go. now we know. the senate released w

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committee investigating january 6th considering holding mark meadows in criminal contempt.tell cnn the committee is losing patience with meadows as he fails to comply with the sympubpoena. paula reid is out front. paula, what can you tell us is happening? >> reporter: we've learned that lawmakers are frustrated with mea meadows. it's been over a month since he was subpoenaed. during that time he was at least engaging, negotiating terms. a source says at this point it's clear meadows has no intention of providing testimony or documents which is why we learned some committee members are ready to amp up the pressure on meadows and they can do that by setting a deadline which will force him to either comply or be referred for criminal contempt which is what they did with steve bannon. poppy, that is a risk. unlike steve bannon, the former chief of staff has a stronger claim for potential privilege protection. will he get it? that will be up to president biden. so far biden has not asserted privilege for bannon or records from the trump white house. white house counsel said this

are you going to use the marshals service to bring people like mark meadows to congress?ty of law enforcement offices including the u.s. marshals in order to issue the subpoenas. and we will use everything, as you said, with all due respect, we will use all of the agencies and all of the tools at our disposal to issue the subpoenas and then enforce them. >> with us now from capitol hill is punchbowl news co-founder jake sherman. so jake, we learned from both impeachments that when congress wants to enforce subpoenas, it's got inherent contempt, a process which congress hasn't used for a hundred or more years. it's got civil process, that process can take years. and it can do criminal contempt. do you think this committee is going to follow through on the criminal parts of the? part of this? >> geoff, there's just so much politics right now. there's so much positioning, if you think about it, right? when you hear liz cheney or bennie thompson saying, well, this is scheduled, if they're not confirming, if these folks are not confirming that they're coming to capitol hill or

pack is, were you aware of this visit by white house chief of staff mark meadows? answer.ound out about it through the press. question, okay when did you first learn through the press about this? visit answer, i think it was immediately, the day operate after. question, did you have any particular reaction to learning about the? strip answer, i thought it was highly unusual. question and why did you think it was unusual? answer, well, in the middle of the process, the white house chief of staff would come visit, have a meeting with the secretary of state. i don't recall that ever happening in the history of the united states. he said it never happened before in the history of the united states. why the justice department was potentially going to do here, on behalf of the president of the united states, was in mr. packs words, bat bleep crazy. that u.s. attorney, was ultimately fired, as u.s. attorney. his firing came down from the white house. he was told to resign after the president told senior justice department officials, how mad he was that none of the bs voting claim

if mark meadows decides not to testify, he could ultimately end up behind bars? is deadly serious. i commend the chairman for the work he and the entire committee are doing and the serious nature with which they are taking this investigation. we owe it to democracy. what they are examining is not just a question of our past and what happened on january 6th. it is a question of our future and will this attempted coup happen again. i'm very pleased with the chairman, jamie raskin, of course, is just a constitutional scholar and a mentor and a friend. he's absolutely right, this is deadly serious. what we saw under the previous administration, you were a witness to it when we subpoenaed don mcgahn, for example, how long it took. >> two years. >> yes. >> two years. >> and finally an agreement that he came before us. we can't do that anymore. one of the things that i have is legislation that has also been incorporated in a much larger bill, which is the bill that is protecting american democracy because that's really what's at stake here is a subpoena compliance bill,

do you think mark meadow social security going to show up tomorrow? with this subpoena and engage with this committee. he argues that his hands are tied. that is not a claim that the biden white house accepts. they say he needs to receive or they have threatened a criminal contempt citation. they would have to send it for a full vote. whether or not to seek jail time. we know that bannon is one of them. the committee said another individual has been engages. they said similar about mark meadows. there is no word on whether or not he is going to show up. he put out a statement last night lavishing praise. it seems like he would be unlikely to do that. >> there was a central role being played en though he left the white house quite a while ago. he was drumming up the so-called big lie. that is part of the book "i alone can fix it." . you have to call pence off of the f-ing ski slopes. this is a crisis. we're going to bury biden on january 6th. how does bannon say that executive privilege should cover him when he has been long out of the white house. >>

during the period that we're talking about. >> he wasn't. >> you could say dan scavino was or mark meadows was. steve bannon is not. the other reason this is a problem is what exactly are they asking bannon about? what are they asking mr. meadows and mr. scavino about? they are asking about what they witnessed and heard on the days leading up to it. those are not the issues of the president's official actions. these are moments before an insurrection. a storming of our capitol and attack on democracy. that is a big issue. you know, what is really important here is that bannon is following the former president's lead. he is using the president's former president's shield to delay the committee and whatever happens to him and whatever action or punishment is taken by the committee, meadows, scavino and patel can expect to feel the same. >> so, we know, carol, president biden is not going to invoke executive privilege. we know the 1/6 committee chairman is talking about holding the trump people in criminal contempt. are you sensing a tougher stance from the democratic party? what do you hear

former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, was subpoenaed more than a month ago.engaging with the committee. however, cnn has learned the negotiations have yet to produce results and now the committee is considering next steps. our patience isn't unlimited and engagement needs to become cooperation very soon, a house select committee source told cnn, calling meadows a key witness in the investigation. >> if we get to a point where we feel that they are trying to obstruct, we will take the necessary actions and move forward. >> and several select committee members have made it clear. criminal contempt proceedings, an option they've already used to try to compel steve bannon to testify, is an option for meadows as well. >> the committee's resolved that we're going to hear from everybody that we've subpoenaed to come in. if you don't come in, then you're going to be facing the kinds of sanctions that bannon is facing. >> meanwhile, the testimony of another important witness is up in the air. >> i'm jeff clark. >> jeffrey clark, a doj official who was pedaling falseho

today is the deadline for mark meadows, steve bannon, kash patel and dan scavino. so these four people, subpoenas not just for testimony but also documents. what are the chances that any of them comply? >> right now it seems highly unlikely they will be cooperating with the committee. what we will see is weather the committee is going to hold these witnesses in contempt and if they will follow through for criminal enforcement here. they said if these four allies of trump, if they don't come forward and bring their documents, they could face criminal ram tpebgzs here. and so we're going the see whether or not they're going to hold true to that. but right now it doesn't seem like they're going to be implying. >> so how much does that slow things down? because clearly that's the procedure or sort of the tactic that we've seen in the past with trump administration officials. >> right. we have seen them slow roll things before. so of course this would slow things down. but the committee wants to move fast. and they've also shown they really want to look at everything. i

white house on january 6th related to hope hicks, sarah matthews who was an assistant press aide, mark meadows, of course the chief of staff, dan scavino, the president's top aide. pat cipollone, the white house counsel, mark short, former vice president pence's chief of staff, several of the highest of highest officials in the white house on that day, that is what these documents relate to, and now the white house is saying they are not going to exert executive privilege over those documents. >> over to you on the subpoenas, and the letter from the committee, their response. walk us through what we're learning through that letter, and what the chair and vice chair are saying. >> yesterday was the deadline for a handful of these trump loyalists to hand over documents, folks including mark meadows, dan scavino, steve bannon, and it became very clear that steve bannon was not planning to comply either with a request for documents or testimony, here's a portion of the lawyer that his attorney sent yesterday. it says the kexecutive privilegs belong with president trump, we must honor his executive

committee aide telling nbc news that they have agreed to short postponement of kash patel and mark meadows in their deposition testimony. patel was scheduled to testify today. meadows is scheduled to appear before the committee tomorrow. this aide says that because these two have been engaging with the committee, that they're giving them short postponements. they don't set a date for when they ultimately will have to comply but it does indicate they're putting these two men in a different bucket than steve bannon. they say they are engaging and it sounds like they're hopeful if not optimistic about coming to some sort of agreement to get them to testify and provide the information the committee is asking for. the same aide tells me dan scavino, the former trump white house official, they had trouble serving him at first, and they have agreed to a postponement in his scheduled deposition as well, because of that delay. so one man, steve bannon, now in the crosshairs of a likely criminal contempt referral for that subpoena. the other three, it looks like they're going to give him a little mo

mark meadows was a congressman.that suffered the attack, the lawmakers that day, those were his co-workers. so to speak. the fact that these people are just taking these subpoenas as a joke, it's just disrespectful to this country. it's disrespectful to the whole democratic process. it's -- you know, i know it's cable, but i'm going to monitor my tongue a lilttle bit, but its infuriating to think these people are above the law. nobody's above the law. nobody's above democracy. i just hope these people, excuse me, the committee, takes this, they're serious about, they're worried about holding these people responsible for what they're doing to these subpoenas. >> and meadows, i guess, has said or through his lawyers that he is going to start cooperating. we don't know how far that's going to go. let me move on to something else. even nine months later, there are voices on the far right trying to whitewash what happened. i'm sure that must be part of what you're feeling as well. here's what tucker carlson said a few we

for example, mark meadows and dan scavino, and kash patel? soon as we decide we're get getting nowhere. if we feel like we're getting stalled for time, we won't hesitate to move forward with contempt. but if we can work it out and secure their testimony without having to bring up a criminal contempt charge, that is certainly our preference. >> congressman, thanks so much for joining us. >> there's more breaking news we're following here in "the situation room." a major development in the gabby petito homicide case. the fbi now confirming moments ago that the remains of her fiance, brian laundrie, have been found. nah, a stormy day. classical music plays. um uh, brass band, new orleans. ♪ ♪ she drives hands free... along the coast. make it palm springs. ♪ cadillac is going electric. if you want to be bold, you have to go off-script. experience the all-electric cadillac lyriq. imagine a world where we have the tools to sell things that mean something. like a sunscreen made for melanated skin that blends in. prove that things don't have to be th

on december 30th, the report says she emailed then white house chief of staff mark meadows. this is the petition filed in georgia state court and the press released issued about it, she writes, i presume the doj would want all the exhibits. it was forwarded to jeffrey rosen asking, can you have your team look into these allegations of wrongdoing. only the alleged fraudulent activity. mitchell made headlines earlier this year >> there are roughly 18,000 ballots. we >> tony: that. . >> it was 18,000 ballots. but they used each one three times. >> when her voice was heard assisting trump on the now in famous phone call with brad raffensperger. >> i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> her involvement with trump came as a surprise to many, including her law firm. and ultimately led to her swift departure. . >> thank you very much. . >> mitchell was first pulled in 24 hours after election day as she recounts in a little noticed podcast viewed by cnn. . >> i got a call from mark meadows. i flew to atlanta. and thus began my involvement with the post-election. >> three days later, on

if you're dan schivino or mark meadows, what would obligation do you have for now given the position they are in? >> for now none. >> okay. >> for now it will be litigated. undoubtedly the trump lawyers will go to court saying we have executive privilege taking potentially months to resolve and in the meantime i don't think they have any criminal exposure. if at end of the day the courts say president trump has no executive authority here, no authority to stop these documents then the lawyers will have to decide do they want to stiff the u.s. congress and the congress. >> what's the select committee's pov on all of this? >> they are waiting to see if these four men comply. keep in mind they have ordered to appear at depositions at some point next week. they have dalts that they have to factor in. i'm told that we could hear from as early as tomorrow and, nofrks this is a big test for the committee to send a message to all the people they are investigating. does this committee really have teeth and is it going to be successful at vogue the book at them or are the people in trump's inn

i don't think mark meadows is going to be walking his documents into the capitol.t does the committee do? if it feels like we've been here before, we have because donald trump told us two years he was going to, quote, fight all the subpoenas. as a result, he's managed to push off all sorts of congressional oversight. is congress going to learn lessons? are they going to get into court tomorrow to try to compel this from a judge? are they going to send it to doj? and if they send it to doj, what is merrick garland going to do? it's a federal crime to commit contempt of congress. it hasn't been charged in many, many years but we're also in unprecedented times right now. >> there's the senate judiciary report where we learned that trump directly asked justice department officials nine times to undermine the election results. i mean the guy was relentless. does any of this add up to a crime, and what's to stop something like this from ever happening again? >> well, i'm on record and i'll say it again. i do think there were crimes here. look, trying to steal an election

as to the other two gentlemen, mark meadows, kash patel, there is going to be some negotiation. and the committee has a choice. do they cut a deal with them in which they cut out pieces of the testimony, in other words cut out questions that are going to be disputed, that are going to raise issues that trump is going to claim are covered by executive privilege? they can get testimony potentially if meadows and patel are willing to play ball, although that is very limited. if they want to fight them, what i would expect to happen is a court battle where essentially we have something play out like we saw with the former white house counsel, when congress was trying to obtain his testimony related to the activity in the mueller report where he says, hey, i want to talk, but trump's telling me one thing, congress is telling me another, i don't know what to do, courts. and if that happens, you can expect that that's going to wind its way through the courts over weeks and unfortunately potentially over multiple months. >> mike memoli, pete williams, carol leonnig, renato mariotti, tha

erica esit's been more than a month since mark meadows was subpoenaed by the january 6th select committee's i attorneys and the attorneys for the select commit restuck in neutral. that they aren't finding progress finding a way for meadows to cooperate with the committee to not only submit documents they are looking for but also sitting down with a deposition for the commit and as a result committee is exploring what options is might take in order to compel that testimony, an, of course, we've already seen the committee move quickly as it relates to other trump associates including steve bannon who they have already referred a criminal contempt charge to the department of justice because of his lack of cooperation. now, meadows is a different case. her, of course, was working in the white house on january 6th so there may be executive privilege complications that are different than bannon's, but meadows is also at least engaged with the committee. he's had conversations with them, but as we've said, it's now been more than a month and no real progress has been made. so the committee is tr

in a statement less than an hour ago they said that mark meadows, chief of staff and cash patel in thenow we don't know if that means full cooperation but it peers there is some level of negotiation for their cooperation. and they are clear they are going to do whatever they can to get cooperation out of these witnesses and that includes criminal contempt if it should come to that. the statement reads, quote, we will not allow any witness to defy a lawful subpoena or attempt to run out the clock and we will swiftly consider advancing a criminal contempt of congress referral. and the running out the clock part is a very important part of this equation. because to evans point, there isn't a lot of legal precedent for the arguments in a court of law and it is to benefit of the former president donald trump and his associates to throw as many legal barriers in the way even if their ultimately going to be unsuccessful because the select committee doesn't have enough time to adjudicate all of these matters and come to a swift conclusion ahead of the midterm elections next year. so their time

same with mark meadows. not feel comfortable going and so the best i had personally was just myself. so i stuck with her. i don't know if she knew what was going on. i certainly didn't tell her. she certainly never complained to me. at that point i would have had to go to somebody. but i did the best i could with that situation. >> it's really creepy and dis disturbing. look, i don't want to bring up -- this isn't something i'm bringing up in an untoward way because you write about it candidly in your book that you have had past experiences with abusive relationships, abuses members of your family. and you -- as i was reading it, i was waiting for you to draw the line and then you arrived there that that's why you stayed so long in the white house because you're used to it. quote, the trump white house was just a fancy new setting but the same old crap i'd dealt with my whole life. all men who i felt have lied to me, lied about me, called me names and/or made me feel worthless, unquote. i ask you this in the

it's damning but does it deter donald trump, jeffery clark, mark meadows? no. the only person who's in real position here to enact an accountability in a meaningful way is the attorney general, merrick garland. >> so, kim, talk to me about that. what are the options if they do not comply with these subpoenas? what can congress do? >> well, congress can issue -- use its own inherent power to have a sergeant-at-arms actually arrest these folks. it's rarely been used but i think recently jamie raskin mentioned it. they could file a civil action and have a judge order compliance and then get contempt of court if they don't go along with that or as was mentioned, they could ask the department of justice to criminally hold them in contempt. that was not an option on the table during the trump administration, of course, because trump was basically -- chose his own people in the justice department. that's how the tables have turned a bit, but i must say, the democrats in part have themselves to blame for not moving on some subpoenas that were ignored during the trump a

> sean: i want to stay on one issue and i have this confirmed by secretary of state pompeo and mark meadows and others. i don't know if you've heard the calls and if you did, what you could share with us. before any deal was ever discussed, in terms of america's withdrawal from afghanistan that it was very clear by the president, donald trump, that if they don't follow every period comma, dotted i and crossed t he said he would obliterate them over and over again. conditions on a ground-based withdrawal, included america keeping bagram airbase forever. strategically important location. and that in fact it was said over and over again, what happened to the caliphate soleimani, al-baghdadi and associates, the al qaeda leader in yemen will happen to you. do you understand? did you hear those calls? >> i was standing across the resolute desk from president trump when he talked on the speakerphone to the taliban in february 2020. he said we all want to end the violence. i share the conviction that the vast majority of americansns believe that we wanted to get our troops home. but we wanted to do

four members of former president donald trump's administration, including former chief of staff mark meadowse go back to the last -- who wears it better? can we go back to the first split, t.j.? i'm trying to figure out, right there. trying to figure out there. what do we think? bannon there, he looks like an aging rock star. you wouldn't think he was at a fascism trying to take over the united states government. >> right. >> lemire, i'll go to you, who wears it better? >> steve bannon can only be described as tan, fit, and rested, joe. >> he looks good. >> luxurious locks. he looks fantastic. he's also known, of course, for wearing 17 layers at a time. he'd wear shirt over shirt over shirt, which served his own unique fashion style. >> i like that. >> did you ever ask steve bannon why he would wear shirt over shirt over shirt? i'm going to try that one day. >> it is a topic of conversation, joe. you could pull it off. you sometimes, i know, go shirt and then polo shirt over it. you have the sweater going now, looks good. you have to add a bunch of layers to match what mr. bannon does. >> sp

all the flash points of the coup plot certainly put mark meadows in the room as much as mark eastman was writing a memo. is it the premeditation of what eastman did, writing it down on paper how you would overturn the will of the american people that mix him more toxic to republican lawyers? >> nicole, there was a point made earlier about how each people who are charged with murder get representation. i mean, that's probably easier than representing eastman. >> wow. >> because he is operating in fantasy. >> yeah. >> he is operating in fantasy. he drafted something that is completely made up. so i would imagine that most attorneys, or apparently no attorney wants to sit there and defend something that's science fiction or you know, out of some crazy, fantastic movie. so that's the issue here. look, mark meadows and others are probably going to do whatever they need to do to defend themselves and, you know, will maybe put out as much information as they think is reasonable. but eastman -- this is just -- i mean, why would anyone sign up for that? literally, it is easier to represent so

pack seems to have been quite unnerved by the fact that white house chief of staff mark meadows turned up in person in georgia at election site in the middle of all of this. we covered this at the time. what is the white house chief of staff doing in georgia? at a place where they are reviewing the ballots and the election materials in the state of georgia. what's the white house chief of staff doing there? now we get a little new insight on that from this interview, just unsealed today. never happened before in the history of the united states. what the justice department was potentially going to do here on behalf of the president of the united states was, in mr. pack's words, bat bleep crazy. that u.s. attorney was ultimately fired as u.s. attorney. his firing came down from the white house. he was told to resign after the president told senior justice department officials how mad he was that none of the bs voting claims he wanted to make about georgia were being backed up by bj pack's office. he wanted this federal prosecutor, the u.s. justice department in places like georgia to sa

steve bannon and mark meadows and kash patel.o the committee that's trying to probe into january 6th. steve bannon wants to claim executive privilege even though the legal scholars say that's not going to work. a court battle may be in the future there. mark meadows and kash patel, lawmakers said they have engaged constructively with their attorney. no decisions yet on what will be or won't be turned over. so it's a slow process. every week we come back and give the latest. last time it was subpoenas. this time it's a response. we'll see if we go to court the next time. it takes a long time to work its way through. this is a break through and the first step where they try to get their hands on these documents and get some depositions too. >> it was notable you said these four are part of that first batch to receive subpoenas, so more is coming around the corner. so president trump is trying to claim executive privilege over documents as well? >> he is. he's trying. he really wants to but it's really not up to him right now. in ad

now former trump advisers, mark meadows and dan ska serene -- it's unclear if either man will cooperate, but they saw today what will happen if they don't. >> thank you very much. let's discuss all of this with the chairman of the select committee investigating the january 6th attack. mr. chairman, thank you so much for joining us. i know you're moving ahead with holding steve bannon in criminal contempt. how will this work? i know you'll be meeting tuesday with your committee then this becomes in the hands of the justice department? >> well, it's a process, wolf. by the way, thank you for having me. the process starts with our business meeting on tuesday evening. we will entertain the motion to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt. that process then will be forwarded for consideration by the house representatives. if the house of representatives agree with the standing committee's recommendation, then the speaker will be authorized to transmit that document to the attorney general of the united states and it's then his job to pursue the criminal contempt claim. >> has the attorney ge

former chief of staff mark meadows is with us. by the way we are going to put it on hannity.com, it is on amazon.com as well as former white house chief of staff. i can think of a single thing if we look at afghanistan, mark meadows, if we look at the economy, we look at covid, if we look at energy, if we look at china and i could keep going. all of this is impacting the american people and the world. our allies are frightened and our enemies are emboldened. >> well, they are and they should be. i can tell you it's not just the way we dealt with the taliban. can you imagine any world leaders saying what they needed to do is let all the prisoners out of the prison before getting american citizens out, before withdrawing? we now know the suicide bomber came actually from, incarcerated there in afghanistan and yet you are one of the few people willing to talk about that. but it's not just afghanistan. you are right, independents are leaving in droves and they should. they see no leadership from the white house, they see inflation con

have to follow it and will be own an expedited basis. >> also i want to say that someone like mark meadows as a chief of staff you can understand why members of congress say maybe a so i recollect under which a chief of staff conversation should be privileged and meadows said he was engaging with the committee so does that mean they're going to try to cut some kind of a deal where some things he would agree to and some things he wouldn't agree to? we know that donald trump doesn't want him to talk to the committee at all and clear to me he is engaging with them and trying to come up with some way to cooperate. we'll have to see. >> we have to see. go ahead, laura. >> absolutely. for the reasons we talk about. the idea, remember why the executive privilege withheld or extended is not just about what will happen to the biden administration but future presidents, as well. you have the office of legal counsel saying, no. are we sure we want to go down this route? because it could be used against a future administration. >> important point there. thank you. >> thank you. >>> now let's bring in

jason. >> yeah, i think i like to way mark meadows phrased that. just get used to it, folks, we'll be more like cuba than the old united states where things are plentiful and america first. that is the approach. remember, under the biden/harris administration what has happened over the last 18 months or so with covid is there are 4 to 5 million less people in the workforce. so when we talk about the supply chain problems. we talk about the actual retailers, when you go to a restaurant and you have people that just -- the wait staff and the people that are doing the dishes, they are working so hard because they are working with less people than they would normally work with because the biden/harris administration incentivized people to sit at home and get a check from the government. that policy has an effect. now we're seeing on the store shelves wherever you go. go check it out yourself. >> harris: true. just the litany of response from every corner of america, from every walk of life. people are feeling this. all right. let's move on. 17 state at

the attorneys, for example, for kash patel and mark meadows are speaking with media attorneyatt will they be able to come up with some kinds of documents that'll get more testimonies. this will show them maybe they should. don't forget, they got a lot of stuff already as norman was saying. the doj has a lot to say already. they need bannon. there is a lot of information they have from raffensperger. >> the context of all this if you are relying on the doj, reputations have been bruised and merrick garland is trying to turn this around. now this is on his plate. you have known him for a lock time, what do you think he's going to do? this was not a close case as gloria was saying. there is no executive privilege here because it belongs to biden. bannon was not even, even if there were executive privilege, erin, he was not working in the k executive branch. he's claiming attorney/client privilege. one thing we know about merrick garland, he's a laumw man. he's not going to turn his back on this and in a clear case like this, it can move quickly and i have to ask what does bannon have to

stoddard, mark meadows has a real lawyer. you can't say that about everybody in donald trump's circle. george twillinger is representing meadows. bennie thompson says quote our people are still talking to kash patel, dan scavino. they are somewhat quote cooperating, he says. politico also reporting the news about george twillinger representing mark meadows. what do you think mark meadows is doing? what do you think his posture is toward the committee? >> well, it's interesting that he has retained a credible lawyer whom he is likely paying well. it makes it sound like he's not going to just do the steve bannon defiant route. he -- doesn't mean that they are engaging and that they intend to actually continue to engage. i have listened carefully to congressman thompson and kang monday kinzinger responses when they have been asked about what patel and scavino are doing with the committee. what they say is they are engaging. we don't have patience forever but we wanted to make a good faith effort. at this point, they continue, qu

and has the white house counsel been involved in the engagement with former-chief of staff mark meadows or other administration officials to determine to what degree they can testify without violating any kind of executive privilege? >> well, let's see. i'm not quite sure i -- i got your whole question there. i -- >> has -- has -- has the white house been in contact with your committee and been involved with the discussions with mark meadows or others? >> no, i'm not aware of that. um, look. what -- what we're doing -- our committee is charged with assembling a complete and comprehensive documentary record that explains what happened to us on january 6th. who were the criminal elements that attacked the u.s. congress? who tried to overthrow the election? what were the motivations behind it? how did they work? who paid for it and so on? so we're in the process of collecting all that information. most people have been very cooperative. people are coming forward. even some people who would prefer not to cooperate have engaged with the committee. and then, we've got those like steve bannon

. >> today is the deadline for mark meadow, dan scavino, steve bannon and kash patel. they can't find them. all signs point to the trump confidantes following trump's orders and not cooperating. so if they don't, what happens? cnn's whitney wild joins us now with the very latest. whitney, what are you hearing? >> well, the committee has made it clear they are willing to explore a list of options, civil, criminal, for example, to try and compelling people they have subpoenaed to give them relevant information. today's deadline, while worpbt, is just a document deadline. for example, they also want to ear from the people in person. that's not supposed to happen until october 14th or october 15th. there is still a lot of time for these people to materialize and give information to the committee. but the fact that they can't find dan scavino makes it stickier. they are looking for communications with the white house on january 6th and character information about the former president. as we know, he was a confidante for many, many, many years before he even assumed the pres

there's also steve bannon, mark meadows, and also kash patel, who was a top official at the defense department. bannon has said he's going to put his foot down and take trump's direction and try to fight this in court, try to claim executive privilege. the legal scholars say that's probably never going to work, but we'll see if it goes to court. and then meadows and patel, the committee, the january 6th select committee in the house put out a statement saying that those two guys are engaging with lawmakers, they are trying to figure out a way forward. so at this moment that first batch of subpoenas, we're starting to get some responses. it's really not clear if any of them are really going to comply and give over any documents or any testimony, but this is where things stand right now, fred. >> and then let's talk about this request or demand, former president is trying to claim executive privilege. not just over witness testimony, but documents as well? >> a lot of documents that president trump, former president trump wants to keep secret, keep out of the hands of this committee, which, of c

his chief of staff, mark meadows went repeatedly.o to say that there was no interference there is just an alternate reality. and the danger of it, john, and the mandel statement illustrates this, this detachment from reality, this embrace of trump's big lie, and these assaults on our democracy, are creeping further and further into the republican party. and it just is that maga faction within the republican party is breaking with what we have always understood as the bipartisan american commitment to democracy. fortunately, there are solutions. people are fighting it all across the country in various ways. and i think we're going to see another fight over these subpoenas. that is part of the reason it's so important that the house committee enforce their legitimate demand for information. we can't just roll over for this alternative reality. >> yeah. i guess what i'm suggesting is there is a continuum between what grassley and the republicans are saying and josh mandel are saying. you can see where this is headed. to some extent it i

, including representative boebart, hawthorne and brooks as well as marjorie taylor greene and mark meadows communicated with the people plans the protests leading up to the insurrection with one organizer telling the magazine, quote, we would talk to boebart's team like back to back to back. the congresswoman has called this false, said quote, i had no role in the planning or execution of any event that took place at the capitol. in a statement, a congressman of texas named in the -- participated on january 6th or any criminal ak tifrt. nbc's has reached out to the offices and has not heard back. again, take that rolling stone report and take it to the side. pretend it didn't happen. just look at the public record of what we know. donald trump and his allies did what they did and the many attempts to sew distrust in our elections and facilitate the coup and on that alone, i think is a good argument that many of these people aren't fit to hold public office. betsy swan is covering the fallout from the january 6th insurrection. robert costa is a reporter from "the washington post." includes

former white house chief of staff mark meadows, former adviser steve bannon. >> all hell is going toreak loose tomorrow. >> reporter: and kash patel, a former chief of staff to then acting secretary of defense christopher miller. >> it is important that we actually find out who was talking to donald trump. >> reporter: the house panel was already anticipating some trump allies would refuse to comply with subpoenas, and sources familiar with the matter tell cnn the committee has even struggled to find and physically serve its subpoena to a man at the center of trump's orbit. >> i've now been at president trump's side for 30 years. >> reporter: democrats on the select committee making clear they intend to enforce these subpoenas and make seek to hold resisting witnesses in contempt. >> if they continue to disregard the subpoenas, i'm going to highly encourage the authorities to pursue criminal contempt because, frankly, that's what would happen to any american. there darn well should be consequences for the president and his top enablers. >> reporter: the committee firing off another r

bannon refusing to compile with the subpoena but we're told that trump's former chief of staff mark meadows, former pentagon aide cash patel are quote so far engaging with the committee. not sure what that means. dan scavino, no word. the strategy in trump world as you said is to delay at all costs. considering, you know, when you think about what p happens with this committee. is there a best path for them to force these aides to compile or are they at the mercy of nothing? >> i'm afraid there is not a great path here because the legal system does not work quickly. even if as appears likely, the committee seeks a criminal contempt charge through the justice department, that's a legal proceeding and has to go to the district court and once the district court hears briefing and arguments and writes a decision, that goes to the circuit court and then after there is briefing and argument and decision in the circuit court, there is the potential for petition to the supreme court. i mean, this is a month's long process. but it is worth just saying, don, that it is so outrageous that steve bannon

what the senate report says are the chief of staff mark meadows and justices violate not only the law, but these established norms that have been set up by past attorneys general that go back basically to watergate saying -- >> have you been indicted on norms before? who do we indict on norms? >> that's right. you can't. they make clear it's a policy, it's on justice department policy. the white house is clearly not bound by it, but it's one of the norms in down. >> that is campaigns essentially litigate. pete williams, thank you, sir. >> you bet. >>> up next, disaster seemingly temporarily averted as the senate strikes a deal to punt the deet ceiling crisis for a couple months. get ready to do this all over again, but with the holidays in the front view mirror there. >>> plus, the latest on that massive oil spill off the coast of california as we get our first look at the punctured pipeline that caused this. you're watching "meet the press daily." [music: "i swear"] jaycee tried gain flings for the first time the other day... and forgot where she was. you can always spot a first time

but the bannon situation, you know, mark meadows was the white house chief of staff. there is a conceivable executive privilege claim. with bannon, there's nothing, absolutely nothing that he could claim except that he can make -- you know, he can keep the former president happy by refusing to testify. and the courts, unless i'm proven wrong -- perhaps i will be. it's certainly happened before -- will not move quickly enough for bannon to be forced to testify in this committee hearing. >> another story about how this president and this person has u used the courts and how litigious. it's just amazing. >> don, you know, when the house judiciary committee subpoenaed don mcgahn, trump's white house counsel, it took two years to get through the court. two years. that's the kind of system that we're dealing with here. >> oh, boy. kirsten, let's talk about another tough thing that's happening in another tough week for the biden presidency. a disappointing jobs report. the country barely avoided a default. the debt ceiling remains, right? that mess remains. it's temporary th