because alyssa, you know mark meadows extremely well. i first met you when mark meadows was a member of congress and you were a press secretary and then you went over to the white house with him. do you think that he has the kind of persona, character where he could end up being the linchpin to a very -- an even bigger investigation, a takedown of his former boss? >> i mean, it is something that i hope and pray about. the man that i worked for, when i worked for mark meadows, i thought he was a person of deep integrity and did value the constitution above his political whims and i hope that that man that i thought i knew may still be there. it is never too late to do the right things in this. more witnesses came forward in the january 6 hearing as they saw others to come forward. it is not too late to cooperate. and the legal walls are closing in on him, whether it is in the georgia or the doj grand jury. so if there was a time to cut a deal and tell the truth that you know, that this man is unfit for office and that he did pressure the

at that time you became the principal aid to any white house chief of staff, mark meadows. is that right? >> correct. what did a typical day look like for you and your work with mr. meadows? >> it varied with what was going on. we spent a lot of time on the hill. i was his liaison for capitol hill. we did a lot of presidential travel engagements. but mostly i was there to serve what the chief of staff needed. and often it was a reflection of what the president was scheduled to do that day. >> so it is fair to say that you spoke regularly in your position both with members of congress and with senior members of the trump administration? >> that's correct. >> would you say that in your work with mr. meadows, you were typically in contact with him and others in the white house throughout the day? >> that's correct. we were in contact almost pretty much throughout every day. consistently. >> although so much of grave importance happens in the west wing of the white house, it is quite a small building. above me on the screen, you can see a map of the first floor of the west wing

in response, today, mark meadows released this statement: "no comment." ( laughter ) now, compare markthtaking cowardice to that of his assistant testifying today, cassidy hutchinson, age 25. who's testifying despite multiple threats of violence to tell the american people the truth. lawyer to tell the american people the truth. well, she can add all this to her resume: "crisis management, excellent recall, bigger balls than mark meadows." ( applause ) ad, t he's got some nerv >> ms. hutchinson, did white house chief of staff, mark meadows, ever indicate that he was interested in receiving a presidential pardon related to january 6th? >> mr. meadows did seek that pardon, yes ma'am. >> stephen: the president's own chief of staff wanted a "get out of jail free" card. but he didn't get it, so hopefully soon, he will not pass "go," not collect $200, and go directly to jail. ( cheers and applause ) also-- also-- also, in comparison to ms. hutchinson's courage, the committee played some footage of their interview with disgraced former national security advisor, general michflynn,eemed disinc

discussion about the president possibly conceding the election, and, specifically we understand that mark meadows assured both you and the attorney general barr that the president would eventually agree to a graceful exit. do you remember, mr. meadows, making such aspirations? >> are you saying is part of that meeting or several? in that meeting, i am not sure, but i would say that is a statement that i heard from mark meadows. >> and, again, do you know if it was on november 23rd at some point? >> again, i think it was probably, you know, around that time. it was probably subsequent to that time. it was not a onetime statement. >> mr. meadows has refused to testify and the committee is in litigation with him. many other white house officials share the view that once the litigation ended and the electoral college math, the election was over. here is president trump's former press secretary. >> i wanted to clarify, miss mcenany, back to my previous question, it was your view, or was it your view that the efforts to overturn the election should be stopped once the litigation was complete? >> in my

mark meadows is in hot water potentially criminally as are other people within trump's orbit. it's impossible in this moment for the public to know what was in the affidavit to justify a federal judge's mind and in the mind of merrick garland and many other people that were involved in this process this historic and politically very fraught and troubling event that occurred yesterday. >> >> what happens next is, the material will be sorted, the warrant only justified taking materials that were articulated in the warrant. there is also something called the plainview dock or in, if they saw evidence that appeared to bear out a crowning -- bear out a crime even if it was not in the same topic of the warrant, they could take that material. there will be a sorting process and presumably a fresh eye on it to make sure that nothing was taken illegally outside of the scope of the warrant. the justice department will continue its investigation that has apparently been going on since spring about the taking of those mark -- records. there is the january 6 investigation, we know that the

mark meadows was, according to the letter signed by president trump, in charge of presidential records. we know everybody else has been interviewed in this investigation. we don't know about meadow it is he has or hasn't. if he has, it could be very damning. at this point, do you think they have spoken with him or not? >> that's a great question. on that letter that you showed, he's listed first and it's not in alphabet call order. he also ran the operation for what was going to be turned over to the national archives in the last couple of weeks of the presidency. so i do think that he's in serious trouble, because it must mean he's a target since they're speaking to everybody who is a witness to those operations. >> so this is very crucial, because they mention of course, other high profile investigations in that affidavit. stephanie, when it comes to the affidavit itself, that the doj does not want released, trump says he does want it released. what do you think he plans to do with it if it comes out? >> well, this will be his way to fact find. this will be his way to see what they w

, donald trump's chief of staff, that she witnessed mark meadows burning documents. unfortunately, donald trump's word is no longer, if it ever was, something people can rely on. maybe people love him for that but that's not how the system of justice works. things have to be authenticated and verified. a long time ago, with thousands and thousands of lies out of the white house, he has been unable to keep his word. he is no able lincoln in that regard. i have no access to the warrant and don't know why the justice department decided to do this, presumably to preserve records for fear they would be destroyed or something could happen to them. donald trump's statement is unfortunately not something that i would put a ton of weight in when it comes to the various levels of independent oversight that had to happen for yesterday's historic event to occur. host: you mentioned the presidential records act. what questions do you think that judge was asking when the fbi went to him or her to get this warrant granted? guest: this is a very high level. the fact that it is a for

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>> the only guy who is not weighted is mark meadows. now meadows might say, this is just fine with him. i happen to know that mark meadows, i know what he was doing the morning of january 20th, and i don't think he was packing boxes for mar-a-lago. and you can read about it in my book on the biden white house. but, you know, mark meadows is just about the only person i could think of who might have said, this is just fine. >> the idea, though, that all these people were packing boxes at the last hour is just shocking. -- >> listen, i gotta tell you, that is slightly plausible to me, considering he thought he was going to hang on to power. and he may have thought that he wouldn't have to move that -- >> on january 20th? >> -- who knows. >> it reminds me of a scene from argo in the mob is at the gates of the u.s. embassy it is everybody's burning things as fast as they can, throwing them into boxes. this is keystone cop stuff but it's trump, so i believe it. >> bringing these boxes and documents to mar-a-lago would have required more than

we know he ignored advice to not speak with former aides, specifically mark meadows, the former chief of staff. he's been instructed to stop contact with him because he could become a fact witness if he has to choose between himself and trump when it ultimately comes down to it. what does it mean for trump legally that he is reaching out to these aides when he's been told not to? >> it just means that these conversations that he has about potentially the events leading up to, during and after january 20th, after he left office, right, january 6th, january 20th, they would not be covered by executive privilege under any conception of that because he was no longer president. so his lawyers probably said, listen, don't talk to mark meadows who is at the center of all this, cassidy hutchison, there were some allegations that his team might have sought to int interfere with her testimony. if the justice department gets him to sit down in front of a grand jury and really spill the beans and cooperate, that also bodes poorly for him, though i agree of course it's speculation. i'm just saying

it is about changing the narrative before the election. >> how laughable, mark meadows, he ignored his entire party, silence deafening, mostly peaceful, this happeneds of injured cops and dozens of dead americans and he said nothing, but his vice president supported a bail fund and praised lapd defunding, doesn't sound consistent, mark meadows. >> he's not being consistent and kamala harris is not being con consistent. there are two groups of people who understand that joe biden is not telling the truth, one is law enforcement officers that know many of the republicans had their back when democrats didn't and the other, people in big cities where crime has gone crazy, they know that actually those liberal policies are not producing good results. >> last word, leo 2.0? >> so clear that he will ignore the d democratic cities and gues where he is attacking? florida, the one state where there is no soft prosecutor or mentality. that is where it, wos, democracy, freedom, works in florida, not in democratic cities or states. >> we appreciate you, mark and leo, thank you. republicans are dema

but when the rubber hits the road, mark meadows is going to wind up having to take a deal, plead and cooperate, so that is where i think this is ultimately going to go, because remember, cassidy hutchinson testified that mark meadows was communicating with roger stone on january 5th. so, he knows a lot, and was with donald trump throughout those days leading up to the insurrection and afterwards. i think that is where the weak link is ultimately going to be. >> kara, perry, nick, thank you all. i appreciate it. next, helping us get started on this very important knows. next alex jones learns the price that he will have to pay for his despicable lies about the 26 and seven year old kids and adults talked shot to death at sandy hook. but is it enough? research shows that people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪ ♪youn

but when the rubber hits the road, mark meadows is going to have to take a deal, plead, and cooperate. so that is where i think this is ultimately going to go because, remember, cassidy hutchinson testified that mark meadows was communicating with roger stone on january 5th. so he knows a lot and was with donald trump throughout those days leading up to the insurrection and afterwards. so i think that's where the weak link is ultimately going to be. >> kara, harry, nick, thank you all. >>> next, alex jones learns the price he'll have to pay for his despicable lies about the 26 kids shot at sandy hook. but is it enough?? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "shake your thang" by salt n pepa in the next second, fourteen families will decide... that's it. we're getting a bigger house! finally. but we got to sell this place. before we buy the next place. and then, in the meantime. so, how long are you staying? emily no! ooh a little cramped. i am cpap man. that is not a toy! or skip the in-laws. sell and buy your house with confidence with opendoor. move when you're ready. that's it. indeed. when life's doors open,

. >> and let me ask you, sit with you for a second, luke, where was mark meadows the whole time? when this stuff was removed, trump was still president, he still had a team, a chief of staff. there was some reporting he was sort of mia for a lot of this period. what do we know about what he was doing and whether he was involved in getting this stuff moved? >> we have to put this in context. we know donald trump and mark melmeadows were consumed with donald trump staying in office. they were, in the weeks after he lost the election, they were busy putting together schemes of fake electors and they were coming up with plans for january 6th, to have a big rally and put pressure on congress. and so there wasn't a lot of emphasis or a spotlight on records retention or proper policies. you mentioned that the obama administration turned everything over to the archives. the archives put them in special facilities where he could review them, but he didn't take them with him as he left. mark meadows was assuring people in the white house he was going to handle everything, it would be done

miss pierson believed that she mentioned this to mark meadows on january 2nd call. notably, january 2nd is the same day on which, according to cassidy hutchinson, mr. meadows warned her of -- that things might get real, real bad on january six. after her january 2nd call with mr. meadows, katrina pierson sent an email to fellow rally organizers. she wrote, potus expectations are to have something intimate at the ellipse, and call on everyone to -- march to the capital. the presidents own document suggest that the president had decided to call on his supporters to go to the capitol on january six, but that he chose not to widely announce it until his speech on the ellipse that morning. the committee has obtained this draft and inundated tweet from the national archives. it includes a stamp stating the president has seen. the draft tweet reads, i will be making a big speech at 10 am on january 6th, at the ellipse, south of the white house. please arrive early, massive crowds expected. march to the capitol after. stop the steal. although the street was never sent, rally

reportedly, mark meadows burn documents after meeting with scott perry. i think the january 6th thing is very complex, involves a lot of different moving parts. i think the classified documents pieces much more discreet, and straightforward, and separate from the january 6th investigation. >> setting fire to documents, ripping them up, taping up that together. we really can't make it up, glenn. what is the burden of proof necessary to obtain a warrant to search mar-a-lago. it's more than just a hunch, from investigators, right? >> it is more than a hunch, it's a really rigorous process to obtain a federal search warrant. i know because i did hundreds of times. so, after the fbi conducts the investigation, and collects up enough evidence where they believe they have probable cause to apply for a search warrant, that's not the end of the statement. what they do is they take all that information about the investigation, and the facts that lead them to conclude they have enough for a search warrant. they swear to it, it's a sworn affidavit under the penalties

okay, mark meadows from did all the sports is here with me in the studio to break it all down for as high mark so it does sort of feel like it was destiny. is that a rug 11 dusky would be facing his former class byron. yeah, it's amazing how often sport does this for these scenarios. i mean, there was a plethora of of a groups that by and could have been drawn in, but know they're drawn with levin dusky and barcelona. it was quite acrimonious when he left. he said, actually before the deal went through the something died inside of me this year, they're very, very, yeah. and that was kind of seen as a bit of a dig against her by a munich and especially their coach julian, now guzman. and then even when the, the deal did go through, he said by many could lie about the reasons why he left fine of tried to move all over and say, look, this is on the greatest players is over play for by and, and they're welcome him back but there is a bit of fir acrimony there. we don't know when the fixes will be yet they're still working on that. but the 1st set of fixes will be september 6 and 7th in th

we know for example, lindsey, he texted with mark meadows and suggested to mark meadows, the intelligencee involved in investigating whether china hacked into dominion owned voting machines. that's one thing we know. the texts would be significant because we know others potentially destroyed evidence having to do with scott perry. cassidy hutchinson testified before the january 6th committee that she saw her then boss mark meadows burn documents in his white house office fireplace right after a meeting with scott perry. we know also that scott perry sought a pardon from president trump reportedly. the text he had with mr. meadows and others in the white house and around the trump campaign could be extraordinarily significant to flushing out his role in advance of and closer to january 6th. >> lisa, congressman perry compared the seizure of his phone to the fbi's search of mar-a-lago but is it dangerous to conflate the two? >> it is in two ways. one is both searches were done pursuant to lfully authorized search warrants. these weren't unauthorized raids and we can see in both cases the ju

. >> mark meadows, with respect to his dispute with the president -- >> many people suggested it. many people felt the same way. i am sure i have conversations with mark about this to express my opinion very forcefully. >> when there were tweets put forth, did you continue at just throughout this time to push for a stronger statement? >> yes. >> were you joined in that effort by ivanka trump and mark meadows? >> yes. >> i am confident that if ivanka trump wanted there to be a strong statement to condemn the writers -- rioters. she came to the chief of staff office. she was talking about the speech later that day and trying to get her dad on board with saying something that was more direct then he had wanted to at the time. >> i remember him getting ivanka involved. i don't think jerry was there -- jared was there. of course, pat was expressing the same thing. pat, like i said, i don't think there was one of these meetings -- the both of us were going down there, going back. >> pat cipollone and cassidy hutchinson told us about the hang mike pence chants. difficult conversations abo

times writes this, quote, although the white house counsel's office had told mark meadows trump's last chief of staff that the roughly two dozen boxes needed to be turned over to the archives. some of those boxes including those with the letters to kim jong-un and some documents marked highly classified were shipped off to florida. there they were stored at various points over the last 19 months in different locations inside mar-a-lago. trump's members-only club, home and office. according to several people briefed on the events. those actions along with trump's protacted refusal to return the documents in florida to the national archives prompted doj to review the matter early this year. a flailing legal strategy from team trump in the face of more new details about trump's handling of his records is where we start today. new york times justice reporter katy benner is here and she's on the byline we just read from. also joining us, andrew weissmann, former senior of robert mueller's special counsel investigation also joins us and former senator claire mccaskill is here all lucky for u

he was the person that made the introduction between mark meadows, donald trump and jeffrey clark who ultimately did the president's bidding at the department of justice, and he was really the connecting tissue between members of congress and to the white house and the coordination that occurred in order to try to find some ways to support the former president's schemes. it is quite possible that perry is ultimately not the target, but regardless they feel that investigators feel that there is evidence that he could have. we know that he was in frequent touch with jeffrey clark, in frequent touch as well with people in the west wing, especially around that time period. we've already seen some of his text messages come out as a result of mark meadows handing over thousands of his messages at the beginning of the january six investigation. so there's certainly a litany of things that they're gonna want to check out even if perry is not himself the actual target. >> mark meadows, who we talk a lot about who we hear from very rarely. neil, there are some reports today, we've been asking f

. >> eugene, the new york times reports that many in trump world are blaming mark meadows for the fbi the transition's chief of staff, told aides that documents will be handled properly. there's a part of me that tells me it's not a surprise the trump world will throw somebody like mark meadows under the bus if they have to protect the president at all cost, but what do you make of this? >> you say serve at the pleasure of the president, they take this to the and a degree. everyone and anyone could be thrown under that bus, and mark meadows as chief of staff is the one right now. because what you saw as soon as news came out of donald trump's own email and statement that the fbi was executing a search warrant on his home, you saw republicans jump on board immediately and try to change over and over again as more information coming out, explaining why this classified information was there. why it former president trump had brought the documents there. all these kinds of themes. so it shows that the republican party forever or least for the foreseeable future will be tied to trump and t

but now the prosecutor says that she also wants to talk to mark meadows, the former chief of staff and sydney paul, another member of trump's legal team. at one stage. the significance of this is that it shows that this investigation is getting closer and closer to president trump himself in terms of the justification for calling these people before mark meadows. in particular, as the prosecutor said, he was present at a meeting on december. the 21st 2020, at which president trump that then president discussed ways in which to oppose the election results, specifically within georgia. now that your investigation is ongoing, it's already been revealed that giuliani among others is likely to face criminal charges arising out of this. but now that trump's former chief of staff is being called before the grand jury as well. it indicates that the prosecutor increasingly is getting the former president in her sites as well. i'll thank you very much. mike hanner in washington, an anti terrorism court in pakistan as granted bail to former prime minister him on con, extending his protection from

we received testimony that presents chief of staff mark meadows was notified of the violence at the capitol2 pm and, likely earlier. the testimony further establishes that mr. meadows quickly inform the president and that he did so before the president issued his 2:24 pm tweet criticizing vice president pence for not having, quote, courage to do what needed to be done. here's what the president wrote in his 2:24 pm tweet while the violence at the capitol was going on. here is what the rioters thought. >> he's a trainer, he deserves to burn the rest of them. >> it is all escalated after pence. >> pence didn't do it we wanted. >> pence voted against trump. >> that's when all the started? >> yes, that's when the march on the capitol. we've been shot at with rubble bullets, tear gas. [inaudible] that's right, you've heard it here first. mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. [noise] mike prince has betrayed this president and the people of the united states and we will never ever forget. >> it's real simple, pence betrayed us. which apparently everyone knew he was going to do and

i want to read to you a little bit of what she said regarding mark meadows.ly, that the witness possesses unique knowledge concerning the relevant communications between the witness, former president donald trump, the trump campaign and other known and unknown individuals involved in the murlt-state coordinated every to influence the results of the november 2020 elections in georgia and elsewhere. that really kind of underscores all of it. that's from d.a. fawny willis and her filing. the phone call that launched this entire thing was the phone call that former president trump made to brad raffensperger, back in january of 2021, asking him to find enough votes to overturn joe biden's victory. she wants to talk to mark meadows about that, along with several other things around that time period. as for whether or not they will try not to appear, we've not heard from them yet. we've reached out to them and their representatives, was certainly if we look at other members of the trump orbit, rudy giuliani, others who have been compelled to testify before the grand

prosecutors got mark meadows cell phone records back in april.grand jury subpoena. i suspect the prosecutors will now be carefully looking at those records to see if stewart, the cfl extra himself phone numbers pop up on mark meadows cell phone records. hold on tight, this could really be a boom for justice. >> we know the committee is very busy this month of august. and that the hearings are to come, as of this will be adding perhaps, perhaps the elegance text messages of emails to be evidence. been, glenn legal analyst, we appreciate you being here, thank you. >> thanks kate. >> coming up, a six game suspension, the nfl wants us to believe they care about women but it's punishment for a quarterback accused of sexual misconduct is falling short. we will discuss after the break. after th break. flowers are fighters. that's why the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's is full of them. because flowers find a way to break through. just like we will. join the fight at alz.org/walk ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ (vo) at viking, we are proud to have been na

but i will say that mark meadows's hands have been caught in the cookie jar.verybody to go look at your washington post op-ed about the cookies that you did with donald trump in the artistic reading that you gave. of that cookie op-ed. again, i would encourage everybody tuning in right now to go check it out. george conway thanks for being in this morning. trumpism has made the gop very sick, according to liz cheney. it is a 2024 presidential bid just what the doctor ordered? i will talk about it with former gop stylus strategist rick wilson, coming up next. were delayed when the new kid totaled his truck. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. it's the all-new subway series menu. twelve irresistible new subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created. ♪♪ it's subway's biggest refresh yet! here's to real flavors... real meals. real good. all of knorr's high quality pasta and rice sides are now made with no artificial flavors or preservatives. knorr. taste for good. i'm a performing artist. so

>> well, i don't think mark meadows has been feeling very well for a long time. mean, he's been very, very quiet, as you know, and he's gotten these investigations on both the federal and the state front. i think what this most recent even in fulton county shows is that the fulton county investigation is significantly more advanced than the federal investigation. they are really, really, really closing in on people around the president. they have this legal dispute with senator graham and now they are calling for meadows to testify. they've had giuliani in. this is a very, very serious investigation and a very, very -- it's reaching maybe not quite the end stages, but it's reaching the latter stages. >> george conway, thanks for bringing us all of that this morning. >> thank you. >>> in a forceful kickoff to the midterm elections president biden was not pulling any punches last night, calling the maga republicans a threat to democracy. >>> plus, how his decision on student debt forgiveness came to be with one democrat calling the process, quote, tortured. we have

mark meadows, we'll begin with you. you were in the room. youer were there as reince priebus was with conversations with president xi. whatei is the difference between what you're reading and seeing now s and what it was like when donald trump was president? well, it's a position of weakness. you mentioned itt in m your monologue, shawn. really, there's two words that define thiss this presidency right now. one isncy weakness, the other is desperation. they're desperate to do anything to take the focus off of joe biden's inept policy. they continue to haunts the american people. listen. whetheres china and you've been one of the few that have been consistently talking about the debacle in afghanistan that causedng cost 13 american servie members their lives, but candidly, it's that weakness that goes allly c the way throu joe biden has a knock on wood kind of strategy and hope for the best. and it is not giving americanss the best rice. you were there when i think you, were there when when president trump actually had president xi at the whi

joining us in our former white house chiefs of staff brains previous and mark meadows along with formeransas governor mike huckabee. you were in the room, you were there as reince priebus was with president xi. what is the difference between what you are reading and seeing how and what it was like when donald trump was president? >> it's a position of weakness. he mentioned it in your monologue. there's two words that define this presidency right now. the other is desperation. it's to take focus off of joe biden's inept policies that continue to haunt the american people. whether it's china, and you've been one of the few that have been consistently talking about the debacle in afghanistan that caused 13 american service members their lives, but candidly commits that weakness that goes all the way through. joe biden has a knock on wood kind of strategy and hope for the best and it is not giving americans the best. >> sean: reince priebus, i think you were there when president trump actually had president xi at the white house, am i wrong about that? >> actually i can answer this. i was

they are ignoring advice to stop talking to foreign aides, including mark meadows. a top white house lawyer warned us, quote, every crime imaginable. they had a subpoena. one take from the former attorney general. >> i think what's going to happen here, more evidence is going to be elicited. you will see people start to cut deals. my guess is that by the end of this process, you are going to see indictments from high people in the white house. you will see indictments from people outside the white house who were advising them, with regards to the attempt to steal the election. i think we are going to see the former president of the united states indicted as well. >> joined me now, eugene robinson. a columnist for the washington post, and back with us, my friend, joyce. thank you guys for being with us. joyce, donald trump lawyers talking to the doj. this is about exclusive executive privileges and issues. what does this mean for donald trump? >> of course, executives were supplied in a very narrow subset of people. this goes on with many regularities. the reality he

. >> on the screen you will see the president trump's chief of staff mark meadows tweeted about that meeting right after it happened. he said, quote, several members of congress just finished a meeting in the oval office with president donald trump, preparing to fight back against mounting evidence of voter fraud. stay tuned. on the same day he met with these republican members of congress, president trump called into a conservative political convention any use this opportunity to pressure the department of justice to investigate his bogus claims. >> the problem is we need a party that is going to fight. we have some great congressmen and women who are doing it. we have some great fighters. we won this in a landslide. they know it, we need backing from the justice department and other people have to finally step up. >> the select committee obtained records from the national archive that showed that scott perry was one of the congressman who join that meeting. we learned from white house records that you will now see on the screen that the very next day representative perry returned t

, donald trump's chief of staff, that she witnessed mark meadows burning documents.nfortunately, donald trump's word is no longer, if it ever was, something people can rely on. maybe people love him for that but that's not how the system of justice works. things have to be authenticated and verified. a long time ago, with thousands and thousands of lies out of the white house, he has been unable to keep his word. he is no able lincoln in that regard. i have no access to the warrant and don't know why the justice department decided to do this, presumably to preserve records for fear they would be destroyed or something could happen to them. donald trump's statement is unfortunately not something that i would put a ton of weight in when it comes to the various levels of independent oversight that had to happen for yesterday's historic event to occur. host: you mentioned the presidential records act. what questions do you think that judge was asking when the fbi went to him or her to get this warrant granted? guest: this is a very high level. the fact that it is a forma

i'm frustrated that for instance, mark meadows and dan scavino have refused to come in and talk, ande you just have to resist the select committee and you may be able to resist all. that's a frustration. >> stephen: mick mulvaney tweeted in response to the testimony he saw that meadows will have to come testify. do you think what we learned recently will increase the pressure on the justice department. not increase the pressure, but provide revelations the justice department can see as justification for the indictment? >> i certainly think so. we have these two investigations-- and again, i don't know what justice is doing or not doing, but assuming they're investigating, we have our investigation that's very public. this all kind of feeds together. and even though we are not the committee that goes out and indicts people criminally, we can bring forward important information. and i think the case we're making right now is the president knew that he had lost the election and he attempted to overcome the will of the american people. and, by the way, we never want to get in a position

donald trump knows as of today, his last white house chief of staff, mark meadows, is being subpoenaed to testify about him to fani willis is grand jury in atlanta. notice that donald trump is not making any public comments now, warning mark meadows and his former election lawyer, sydney powell, who has also been subpoenaed to that same grand jury in georgia. no warnings from donald trump about flipping. notice that donald trump, he's not wanting any of these witnesses not to flip as he publicly did when he was president. he used the word flip. as president of the united states, donald trump publicly warned polman -- that was the word he used publicly. the gangster word for telling the truth. he did the same thing with roger stone. with michael flynn. donald trump did that while he was president of the united states, because he knew he had an attorney general who would protect him against charges of obstruction of justice. tonight, donald trump is under investigation by attorney general, merrick garland, specifically for obstruction of justice, among other things. that is how donald tr

mark meadows, to make a surprising visit to him or commit and saying it has a good heat signature. many of my colleagues observed him saying, that they wanted to get the truth, but now, they're trying to get the truth out of him. >> we are expecting the judge to make a decision about the governor's testimony for at least another day or two. this is political argument likely to be persuasive here? >> it is tough. it was trying to rule on kemp's request, and to make the argument that he shielded from testifying because of illegal concept of sovereign immunity. it should not be a factor in this case, because the grand jury's probing criminal violations. we will see how the judge rules, hopefully, within a couple of days. >> senator lindsey graham, resisting a subpoena and the same investigation. what we know in that timeline? >> fighting this tooth, and nail, he's put together a team that, already, successfully, convinced the people to block his testimony. your constitutional protections are members of congress that you challenge now that lindsey graham faces as lindsey graham says, h

you look at all of the documents that mark meadows turned over to the january 6 committee. so many of those text messages that we talk about, we know because meadows voluntarily turned his phone over. you look at all of the people that have been testifying against donald trump that worked for him, as i've said, through the lowest points in his presidency through the two impeachments. they're providing some of the most riveting testimony now. so, donald trump can look to the left, look to the right and chances are good he's looking at somebody who is cooperating with the feds because as we have said, and this is why this is important, we always say all of the time, republicans know he's guilty and people around him know that he's guilty of this or that. of course it is speculation because in america you're innocent until proven guilty. but you talk to them and they think that he's done the thing that's he's been charged of doing. why is that important for this investigation? it is important because people around him know that donald trump's probably not going to escape justi

. >> a few of us, myself, jason miller, mister clark, mark meadows gathered in a room off the map room to listen to whatever he presumably wanted to say to the president. >> was there anyone in that conversation who in your observation had had too much to drink ? >> mayor giuliani. >> tell me more about that, what was your observation about his potential intoxication during that discussion about what the president should say when he addressed the nation on election night?>> the mayor was definitely intoxicated but i did not know that his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president for example. >> was he part of any discussions with the people i mentioned, mister stepien, mister meadows about whether the president shouldmake any speech on election night ? >> i spoke to the president. but i spoke to the president several times that night. >> there are suggestions i believe it was to go to mayor giuliani to declare victory. >> it was far too early tobe making any calls like that . ballots were still being counted. ballots were stillgoing to be counted for days . and it was far

it's going towards his inner circle, and some of those people including mark meadows have been informedthat they could be targets of the investigation. they could also face criminal charges. so this investigation had been going on for months, the da said today that she was looking to wrap it up by the end of the year, to the special grand jurors go about their business. the question becomes, does she subpoena donald trump, but she's told blaine and others that she is not rule that out. >> joyce, where do you think we are in this investigation? >> so, what is clear about this investigation is that fani willis is intent on speaking with all of the relevant witnesses, in her moving papers in court, she has indicated that she needs to speak with some of the people like governor kemp, who has done everything he can to elude her, to make sure she is identifying all the witnesses. speaking with everyone with relevant information, that sounds like the sort of thing a prosecutor does when they are dotting their i's and crossing their t's, as they near the end of the investigation, trying to make

arrived for the breakfast meeting the following morning, she was greeted by a surprise guest, mark meadowsshe had heard from an array of people urging her to take on cheney but meadows was dialing up the pitch and putting her on the phone with jim jordan, another trump ally who reinforced the point. after leaving the breakfast got meadows calls trump and encouraged him to meet with the soon to be candidate, according to a person familiar with the discussion, the story adding that the ellis trip -- episode illustrates former president trump's all-encompassing role in the effort to oust cheney, which culminated in a defeat with the -- for the congresswoman. trump vetted and interviewed cheney's perspective challenge with a degree of care not seen in other signature races. once they settled on the pick, they cleared the field of primary rivals and formed a group trend tv ads storing the former president's son. you can see that at politico.com. for minneapolis, democrats line. caller: the reason why i think that she lost was because she decided to go against the guy who deserved -- who did not

they are now seeking testimony from mark meadows and sidney powell, what does that signal to you in termsf the crescendo of this investigation? >> i think it is a, as you pointed out, this level of people that they're speaking to, that rudy giuliani, mark meadow, sidney powell, to me, those are all sort of the key people that we've heard about, people who were involved in the phone calls, plural, to raffensperger, to put pressure on him, to find just enough votes for donald trump to have won georgia. those are the key people to be trying to speak to, we know that they certainly have a very active grand jury investigation, and they are doing pretty well in the courts in getting those enforced. so to me, this shows that this is really not a sort of insippent budding investigation, i think we're coming down to the homestretch. >> not a budding investigation indeed. andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior mib of special counsel robert mueller's investigative team, always full of wisdom and educated guesses. thanks for your time tonight, andrew. >> nice to be here. >>> w

were absolutely chaos in the building. >> but if it were operating normally, the chief of staff, mark meadowswould have been in charge of that. >> yeah. i think he could probably make the case that the oval office wasn't operating anywhere near whatever normal is long before january 20th and long before january 6th. you don't get january 6th with a properly functioning west wing. you don't get inadvertent collection of documents with a properly functioning west wing. you don't get somebody going on tv and saying, oh, the president can wave a magic wand and declassify everything he wants to in a properly functioning west wing. and that's what we're seeing out of the last days of the trump administration. >> and by the way, that waving the magic wand, you've basically called nonsense. >> i know what i know. we didn't have it when i was there. i was not aware of it when i was there. it would surprise me if they did it later. i know we declassified some documents when i was there. i think we went through the process of declassifying the transcript of the phone call with president zelenskyy of ukr

and so, if i'm mark meadows and those people, i've got liability concerns.ve national security interest concerns. two different white houses. two different sets of concerns. >> yeah. legal exposure seems to be expanding, at least, in terms of the potential there. let me ask you about the search warrant and this affidavit that the federal judge seems to releasing at least a redacted version of the affidavit if it weren't redacted we would probably know about what kind of probable cause there was for the search to even happen. if the after daeft were released and it would likely be heavily redacted, will there be anything left of substance? how would that help the public interest? >> well, i don't know that it will help the public interest. if you look at the mueller report, remember when they released those redacted documents, they were just black pages with a date here and there. >> right. >> but what we don't in an on going criminal investigation like that is whether even a date is a tell to the persons who may be looking at the documents. for example f you

from cassidy hutchinson before -- who testified before the january 6 committee that she witnessed mark meadows burning documents in the white house. donald trump's word is no longer, if it ever was, something people can rely on. maybe people love him for that. that is not how the system of justice works. things have to be authenticated and verified. a long time ago with thousands of lines out of the white house, donald trump lost the ability to. stand behind his word. he is no a blanket in that regard so i have no access to the warrant. i do not know why the justice department and the fbi decided to do this presumably in order to preserve any records for fear that maybe they would be destroyed or something could happen to them. donald trump's statement is unfortunately not something that i put a ton of weight in when it comes to the levels of independent oversight that had to happen for yesterday's historic event to occur. host: you mentioned the presidential records act. what questions do you think the judge was asking when the fbi went to him or her to get this warrant granted? >> this is ve