and so joining us, mark murray, our political editor, and are the words enough to make it go away?, it is not a story we will be talking about in a week or two, but using the word apartheid is loaded and had democrats and republicans up in arms. and of course, apartheid was the power structure in south africa, and the one that nelson mandela helped to topple, and the imagery of that is rough. but the thrust of john kerry's statements that he ended up making in the closed door meeting, tamron, are unk uncontroversial in israel himself, and what he was talk about in the future is that if there is not peace between the israelis and the palestinians and two-state solution, one of two things will happen, and that is with the current demographic changes right now, you would have palestinians outnumbering israelis in, israeli jews in israel, and that would be the end of the democracy in the kun t count country, and the other thing that could happen with the demographic changes that the israeli jews would take away certain rights of the palestinians and deny them the right to vote, et cete

and let me bring in with us now, mark murray, nbc news senior editor and politico health care reporter jennifer habercorn. and you and i both know, mark murray, that knowing that she would resign today, and there was a debate if she was pushed out or if this is a decision that she made? the president indicated that she said way back in march that she would resign. >> yes, the handwriting was on the wall, and the administration decided to do this once they knew that they had the millions enrolled in the health care can exchanges, and particularly after they were able to announce that 7.5 million americans had enrolled, and tamron what struck me to dday is almost the triumphant tone, and of course, in october and november, there was anything but triumphant for the administration as the website was not working, and they were enduring political problem after political problem, and they can end here in a stronger political footing. they are not out of the woods at all, because was the republicans want to talk more and more about the health care, but the administration seems to believe that

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and joining me live nbc news senior editor mark murray. ave been talking about the midterms and whether or not the health care law would be something that would hold down the democrats or put those who have their feet close to the fire right into it, and this is maybe certainly some good news, an kconfetti falling down for some democrats i would guess. >> well, i would not go that far, tamron. and certainly, some of the democrats running for re-election in red states like arkansas and louisiana, this report is not going to impact the popularity of the health care law there, but what it does do is to equip the democrats and particularly new hhs secretary nominee sylvia matthews burwell with information when she is getting the tough questions from the senate republicans in the confirmation hearings to say, hey, you are mentioning all of the numbers ta you want to cite, and let me mention some cbo numbers that have the health care law in a more favorable law. but let's step back, and the health care law has a couple of good weeks and you have

joining us now is msnbc's political editor mark murray. a scorecard.or the democrats why is this to a strong way for them to go? >> well, it plays into the playbook, and shows that they are looking to give americans a wage increase, a salary hike, and that the current minimum wage just isn't when you adjust it for inflation isn't up to the past standards and so this is a way for them to be sure that folks can get more money, and tomron, o tamron, some americans believe that the economy is not working for them, and it is a way to tap into the dangers of the income inequality, and the republicans are countering using a congressional budget office report saying that hundreds of thousands of jobs could be eliminated in a minimum wage increase, although the same congressional budget office report says that millions of americans will end up getting a wage-hike. >> and talk about the republicans. i mean, we have talked about this a lot, mark, regarding the public opinion in the polls showing largely that people support it, an increase in the minimum wage, but

joining us is the political editor mark murray, the headline is that the numbers are up a little bit, but far lower than what the administration would like to see. >> that is right, tamron. there is a difference between better and good. the numbers are better, but they are not good with the election environment six months from now, and this is all in the contextt of the better news in the health care front, and the best stretch they have had in the roll out of 2013 where they have a long ways to go, and one of the other pollsters put it, tamron, you were down five runs in the baseball game, and now down a run or two, and you are still behind, but in a better position than you were. >> and speaking of the position, the president is going to be positioning the minimum wage debate. you know, we spoke with congressman tim bishop who said that the gridlock is evidence in the house, and what can we expect, mark? >>> it is the bully pulpit to the say that this is what the party is for the give the job wage increase to millions of americans, and to boost the minimum wage which is not worth as

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nbc's senior political director, mark murray, is here with this morning's first read. rk, this was a fascinating development, the cbo report. democrats pouncing on it, really pumping it up. one thing that struck me is while it was certain lly positi news for democrats, it's so wonky, it can get lost in the minutia. those are difficult numbers to explain and a difficult premise to explain. sort of overall reduction of a deficit in a 30-second attack ad when you're getting all this outside money being poured on that the health care law is the destruction of freedom in the united states. >> this entire health care debate, everyone has their own set of statistics they can point to and say i can point to these things to make my case premiums are skyrocketing. but if you're a democrat and you say the congressional budget office says premiums are lower than expected. i think it's important to take a step back and look at the health care law. it's probably enjoying its west two weeks since its passage in 2010. you had at the beginning of the month the news 7.5 million americans

. >> joining me now, mark murray, maria teresa kumar and alfonso aguilar. thanks all for being here. mosc mark, i want to start with you. just set the political landscape right now as it relates to immigration. what do you make of house speaker john boehner's comments? does it suggest that there could be a renewed push for immigration in the house? >> all of those things that you just mentioned does suggest that maybe there is a little bit of a pulse to get immigration reform done, as the clock is ticking on this particular congress, and right before the midterm season. but kristen, there are some structural things, particularly coming from the republican party that cast a little doubt on that. one, most house republicans have constituents where there are very small numbers of latino constituents. there's no incentive to get immigration reform done then. then you look at the fact that we are in the midst of an election season right now and this is an issue that divides the republican party. the republican party wants to talk about issues that unite them, not

joining me now nbc news senior political editor mark murray.o these numbers a little bit because they are actually really fascinating. when you look at barack obama's coalition, 93% of the african-american vote, 73% of the asian-american vote, 71% or so among latinos, 60% of 18 to 29-year-olds and 54% of female voters. for republicans is there any part of that coalition that you see them making progress as of now? >> well, it depends on who the candidates are, and, joy, i'm a big believer that candidates still matter, and candidates are the ones who end up defining the political party and what it stands for and then sometimes the demographics break either way, and so republicans who really want to grow the coalition, some of them are looking at jeb bush because of his stance on immigration reform and theb the ability to maybe get to the levels that his brother got in 2000 and 2004 with latinos. there's a lock at someone like marco rubio to be able to do the trick as well. rand paul says it comes down to talking more about libertarianism and abo

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joining me live is senior political editor mark murray. gathering as you put it is a window into the current gop, but that window is vast, because some of the ideas that were coming from it, for example rand paul contrasted against ted cruz and showing a significant divide. >> well, 2016 is going to be fascinating on the republican side, because there is a diversity of the opinions whether it is foreign policy and the fiscal policy and things like that, but the biggest takeaway from it is just how much the republican party has broken from the bush years, and when you look at the issues brought up, complaints about the common core, and that is an issue that you have that the right does not like right now, and it is an issue that jeb bush actually supports, and so bush, if he decides to run for the presidency in 2016 would have to confront a base that is opposed to the common core, and also very much against a immigration reform, and against the nsa surveillance program that started under bush years and continued in the president obama's pre

. >> the power of the donor -- >> joining me now live, nbc news senior political editor mark murray. some reason, mark, i think that was the shortened version of that postscript. i guess they wanted the week to go by fast. nevertheless, looking ahead, i pause and say this, but 2016 campaigning -- >> i'd love to talk about the primaries that are happening in the midterms, but there's really not a lot happening in april. 2016 next week there's going to be a focus, mike huckabee and paul ryan heading to iowa, then on saturday, next saturday, not tomorrow, but the next saturday, you're going to be seeing mike huck bow, rand paul, ted cruz in new hampshire, that all will create a lot of 2016 stories we'll be talking about next week. >> i think we also might see, as they say, a few true colors. i think we're learning more about how some of these men and maybe some women eventually in the gop who want to put their hat in the ring, what they think of one another, may it be rand paul and ted cruz, some of the layers being pulled back. >> that's right. there already is the early jockeying, inv

and so joining me now is senior political news editor mark murray, and federal advocacy coordinator at the national law project, lois reed. and so mark, you have talked about it from the counter port of the gop. >> well, it shows you how important the female vote is going to be to the democrats in the tough electoral environment for them. and when they do well, they are winning the female vote by high single digits, and when they lose, it is an even steven type situation looking at the exit bolls or any contest, so it is not surprising that the democrats are emphasizing equal payday and they want to talk about contraception, and always to win over the female voters, and the republicans when you mention the counter programming, they are pointing out that the white house is not exactly practicing what it preaches and the women who are white house staffers earn on average 88 cents to the dollar to the male counterparts and of course, the national average is 77 cent, and you go up on capitol hill, and the disparity also exists in any republican or democratic office as well. that is the ter

and todd, we are talking about rewriting the legacies, and talking about lbj, and my colleague mark murrays, he got the history lesson that said that presidents are sometimes judged by the current moment moments and their historical legacies are written by what is going on in the current times, and lbj has gotten a renaissance maybe because of the strug ofl the liberal elite with president obama? >> well, that is true, and people are nostalgic for an era of when things worked in washington, and certainly the civil rights act of 1964 is the ep though ji, and we know that it would have been 100th birthday of h lbj and that was the night of the inauguration, but his name was not mentioned. >> and in the struggle of lyndon baines johnson -- >> and well, you have not noticed it and the longtime aide of lbj has noticed. >> and i was going to say that it embraces the kennedy legacy much more than president johnson and for obvious reasons, because the kennedys are so much more glamorous, and of course, president johnson's legacy is wrapped up in vietnam, but i think that todd is right, and i saw a

. >> we went back, i shouldn't say we, i'm going to give credit to mark murray, who puts out our firstng, to the latest nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, reductions to health care and medicare is the worst policy a candidate can have. so you also wonder if there's risk. >> there's been this beltway consensus to cut social security and it's consistently been an unpopular policy among actual voters. >> even when you talk about, you know, grandfathering it in and some of the changes they are talking about in terms of medicare, for example, would kick in in 2024. >> right. >> but it still allows them to run on an issue of they are going to take money away from seniors, health care away from seniors. i would also add, once again, this budget has a so-called conscience clause, which says people don't have to pay for medical care they object to. this, of course, refers to the contraceptive coverage in the affordable care act, but as we heard at the supreme court last week, could include any kind of medical care a for-profit employer asks for. >> we're in the middle of this, definitely not

mark murray, the political adviser, in washington, and we have not seen them together in a long time,nd what are we expecting to hear from? >> well, praise of kathleen sebelius, and the president will mark the 7.5 million americans who have enrolled on the health care exchanges and try to send her off on the positive note despite the last few months that were disastrous for the hhs s secretary in the administration, but it is going to be president obama and the democrats to say it is time to move forward with the millions of americans who have enrolled and time to talk about the positives of the website and the rollout, and not dwell on what happened several months ago, and of course, the republicans are chompiamping at bit here, because they want to relitigate it and put it right back in the spotlight. it is interesting, because the health care had dropped as an issue, particularly as they cleared the 7 million mark of the people enrolled in health care exchanges, but the republicans as soon as this happened, we saw so many press releases, and the republicans will talk about it again

. >> joining me now, nbc news it senior political analyst, mark murray.e president turned attention to republicans but a report was out yesterday democrats may be divided as to whether they are going to seek the $10.10 increase the president talked about our strike a deal for an increase to the minimum. wage but not that that point. >> tamron, gone, instructive when there is a vote how people vote, whether democrats or republicans'srepublicans felt they had a little ammunition with the congress' budget office report saying some decrease in the number of jobs if the minimum wage increased to $10.10 per hour. democrats are arguing, well, given that the same report showed so many millions of americans would also end up getting a very big raise as well. and that is the political dynamic. the polls vary very well and democrats hope this is still an issue that allows them to do well in a political environment that has been very difficult for them, particularly in some red states where the people in arkansas, people in west virginia, people in montana, they migh

. >> joining me now is nbc news senior editor mark murray, and so when you compare those comments ofsh to rick perry as to kids having a heart to allow kids to get an education when they are brought to the country illegally, have the times changed in the way that the conservatives will react in that party? >> no, the times have not changed and if jeb bush's comments and sentiments on immigration reform were the dominant thought of his party, passing comprehensive immigration reform would have already been done. if you go back to 2008 and 2012, the race is always to be who is more conservative, and who is the true conservative in the field, and of course, jeb bush, and anybody who followed him in the tenure of florida governor know he is conservative, but when you come out in favor of comprehensive immigration reform, and common core, and those are a big, big weaknesses, and just ask john mccain who had a tough time asking the immigration questions in 2008, and also rick perry who you mentioned. >> yes, and coupled with the fact that there has not been any legislation and at a standst

mark since its last major correction. is a 10% correction just around the corner? or will stocks continue their incredible run? joining us now in the bull corner, jonathan murray. corner, what a surprise with the punching an all dramatic. we have you, david, great to have you both. >> mature one and not so mature one. liz: knee-jerk and then the comments i get it. i get it. >> dave is little short the world. liz: i need right, how about that? i need correct. i can tell you've been collect over past year, jonathan. >> thank you. liz: you said go in stocks. a year ago you were saying same thing however -- >> not much has changed, liz. valuations are still reasonable. we're still 16 types earnings. yes, stocks have gone up, i will give dave that, but so too have earnings. we're looking s&p 500 having record earnings here. they will be up another 8% this year. companies are doing more and more with their record amounts of cash. and i think that spells bullishness. liz: dave, why are you bearish? i really, i'm leaning in certain cases toward your side lately. i wasn't the past couple years. i really feel like at some point -- >> now i'm going to be right. liz: we'll