mark murray is standing by. richard, let me start with you there. where are you seeing the latest vote totals? where are we watching for more to come in. >> very good morning to you. we start this fifth day watching the results. 253 to 214. in terms of nbc news and where we're estimating the electoral vote to go. two states we want to watch closely today and that would be because of the past victory for donald trump. each of them, pennsylvania you can see on the board here, will always stay lit. president trump must get these two states in order -- if he wants to be re-elected. let me get you to some of the data that we just got in on those two states to start for you, craig. let's go to georgia first because we just got in some data about the last three or four hours ago. we've been saying how the poll workers are working very late and very hard. that's going to be the numbers that came in from fulton county there in atlanta, georgia. we got 5100 votes. of the 5100 votes that came into this area here, only 21% went for trump. that is way below what

getting where we can end up seeing the light at the end of this tunnel. >> senior political editor mark murray, thank you, richard lui, both of you do stick around for me if you can. mark just mentioned pennsylvania, dasha burns is in the capital of pennsylvania. she's in harrisburg. dasha, what do we know about when we could expect another update there? >> reporter: i'd love to gif you -- give you a good answer to that, craig, but the reality is we don't know and we likely won't know until we actually get an update. philly has been teasing some drops, but those tend to be delayed, and most counties in the state took a break overnight, and so it's unlikely we'll see any update or any new numbers until at least mid-morning. it's interesting, craig, i got here yesterday from michigan. i've been covering both of these states. both states have their first presidential election this time around with no reason absentee voting. it's now in both places. in michigan we got those results on wednesday and it's largely because they were able to do what's called free canvassing. they could start opening th

mark murray, senior political editor for nbc news, maria hinojosa and eugene robinson.s to all of you for being with us. having flashbacks here the last few segments looki ing back at 2016 electoral maps, that very narrow route donald trump took to the presidency, you look at the polls now. it is a wider lead for biden than donald trump had going into 2016. i think that memory of 2016 seems to inform a lot of the thinking heading into tuesday where even if biden is ahead, it certainly feels like there is a lot of suspense here. >> file i don't know if it's sue or ptsd for a lot of people. i don't know. generals often make the mistake of fighting the last war as opposed to the war they're in now. sometimes i think we forget to look at how the nation has evolved, how the political situation has changed, how circumstances are different this time and take that into account and not just totally be overshadowed by 2016 as we try to decipher these polls. by the way, how do you poll an election where 93 million people have already voted? we're talking about polls of an election

let's talk about the numbers with mark murray. mark, i want to pull back the curtain a little. we talked this weekend. i want to share that we talked about how important it was, one of the lessons the pollsters learned from 2016 is to keep on polling, getting out there and talking to people and now we're seeing new numbers in the battle ground states that show the race could be tightening a little bit in some of the key states. >> yeah. what our nbc wall street journal pollsters did is went back in the field one more day, yesterday on sunday to interview 800 registered voters in the 12 combined battle ground states. a lot of the battle ground states you showed. we found that joe biden has a five-point lead among that one-day interviews, 51% to 46%. that's down 1 point from our nbc wall street journal poll that came out last week. although, change is within the margin of error. but i think three things are true. when you end up looking at our poll and other polls, number one, this has been a very stable race. it hasn't changed that much over the course of the past year. secondly

and nbc news senior political editor mark murray, for the latest on these key states. richard, the first piece of good news, is that our friend, steve kornacki, is hopefully home sleeping for a couple of hours. >> exactly. >> or maybe under his desk. but i'm glad he is not standing at this moment. can you walk us through where we are? >> so true, yeah. steve kornacki working 25 hours a day, right, stephanie? so, we look at what is the latest. 253-214. looking at the paths to victory -- and this is why biden might be feeling confident, because he's been watching steve kornacki -- nine ways to win. trump only has three. and steph, the reason why that's important, as we look at the first two states, i just want to look at georgia and pennsylvania. i'll drill down on pennsylvania for a second. in all the paths to victory for donald trump, if he is to be re-elected, it has to go through those two states -- pennsylvania, georgia, the third way, pennsylvania and georgia. so, he must win those two states if he is going to become re-elected. now, let's drill down specifically t

on virginia, that mark murray learned, virginia is the exact opposite. vote. they will count their early vote starting at 11:00 p.m. if you are wondering, what's going on with virginia, that will tell you about virginia. texas, why is trump ahead? i can give you one -- i can get you one reason why he is. i will take you to what those trump 2018 counties, counties that both beto o'rourke, where he made us think maybe texas is a battleground state. austin is a huge big democratic center. these two adjacent counties here, beto won them both. i want to take you to haze. biden is winning by 12. beto lost the state. there appears to be biden while doing well is underperforming, particularly in the austin media market. this shows you right here. it's another reason why i have classified trump as leading. speaking of leading, i want to quickly -- one place is ohio, we have been showing you -- the republican vote is starting to come in. as you can see, the county map is getting redder. the president has a lead of 100,000. you can see what we are seeing here, earl

marked here for revival bar and kitchen. instead of celebrating, the owner, amy murray, is fighting to keep the doors open. >> i didn't want to turn the stoves off. i wanted to keep going as much as possible through takeout and then service work to stay alive. >> reporter: as 2021 approaches, marie says her bills are piling up. her biggest concern is rent. >> the only thing certain is the uncertainty. we just -- we still don't have resolution with our landlord. >> reporter: there are over 5,000 small businesses in berkeley. some have had to close. >> the bulk of berkeley's tax base are small businesses. we want to get them through this pandemic. >> reporter: hoping to rescue these businesses and the economy, berkeley's mayor announced the relief fund. >> the city provided initial $3 million contribution to the berkeley relief fund, and we've raised i think over $1.4 million in private donations in the berkeley community. >> reporter: the fund will allocate over a million dollars to help 700 small businesses. over $900,000 to help 63 art organizations, and over a million dollars to help tenants. 214 household also receive fina

marked here for revival bar and kitchen. instead of celebrating, the owner, amy murray, is fighting to keep the doors open. >> i didn't want to turn the stoves off. i wanted to keep going as much as possible through takeout and then service work to stay alive. >> reporter: as 2021 approaches, marie says her bills are piling up. her biggest concern is rent. >> the only thing certain is the uncertainty. we just -- we still don't have resolution with our landlord. >> reporter: there are over 5,000 small businesses in berkeley. some have had to close. >> the bulk of berkeley's tax base are small businesses. we want to get them through this pandemic. >> reporter: hoping to rescue these businesses and the economy, berkeley's mayor announced the relief fund. >> the city provided initial $3 million contribution to the berkeley relief fund, and we've raised i think over $1.4 million in private donations in the berkeley community. >> reporter: the fund will allocate over a million dollars to help 700 small businesses. over $900,000 to help 63 art organizations, and over a million dollars to help tenants. 214 household also receive fina

. >> reporter: may 2020 marked ten years in berkeley for revival bar and kitchen. instead of celebrating the owner amy murray is fighting to keep the doors open. >> i didn't want to turn the stoves off. i wanted to keep going as much as possible through takeout, and then service work to stay alive. >> reporter: as 2021 approaches murray says her bills are piling up. her biggest concern is rent. >> the only thing certain is the uncertainty. we just -- we still don't have resolution with our landlord. >> reporter: there are over 5,000 small businesses in berkeley. some have had to close. >> the bulk of berkeley's tax base are small businesses. we want to get them through this pandemic. >> reporter: hoping to rescue these businesses and the economy berkeley's mayor jesse atigeen announced the relief fund. >> the city -- we've raised, i think, over $1.4 million in private donations in the berkeley community. >> reporter: the fund will allocate over a million dollars to help 700 small businesses, over $900,000 to help 63 art organizations. and over a million dollars to help tenants. 214 households will receive fi

. >> reporter: may 2020 marked ten years in berkeley for revival bar and kitchen. instead of celebrating the owner amy murray is fighting to keep the doors open. >> i didn't want to turn the stoves off. i wanted to keep going as much as possible through takeout, and then service work to stay alive. >> reporter: as 2021 approaches murray says her bills are piling up. her biggest concern is rent. >> the only thing certain is the uncertainty. we just -- we still don't have resolution with our landlord. >> reporter: there are over 5,000 small businesses in berkeley. some have had to close. >> the bulk of berkeley's tax base are small businesses. we want to get them through this pandemic. >> reporter: hoping to rescue these businesses and the economy berkeley's mayor jesse arreguin announced the relief fund. >> the city provided initial $3 million contribution to the berkeley relief fund and we've raised, i think, over $1.4 million in private donations in the berkeley community. >> reporter: the fund will allocate over a million dollars to help 700 small businesses, over $900,000 to help 63 art organizations. and

. >>> may 2020 marked ten years in berkeley for revival bar and kitchen. instead of celebrating the owner amy murray is fighting to keep the doors open. >> i didn't want to turn the stoves off. i wanted to keep going as much as possible through takeout, and then service work. to stay alive. >> as 2021 approaches murray says her bills are piling up. her biggest concern is rent. >> the only thing certain is the uncertainty. we just -- we still don't have resolution with our landlord. >> reporter: there are over 5,000 small businesses in berkeley. some have had to close. >> the bulk of berkeley's tax base are small businesses. we want to get them through this pandemic. >> reporter: hoping to rescue these businesses and the economy berkeley's mayor jesse arreguin announced the relief fund. >> the city provided initial $3 million contribution to the berkeley relief fund and we've raised, i think, over $1.4 million in private donations in the berkeley community. >> reporter: the fund will allocate over a million dollars to help 700 small businesses, over $900,000 to help 63 art organizations. and over a m

murray, along those lines, when i look at your models it seems once death tolls hit a certain mark, arigger that the model sort of assumes some of these mandates will go back in place. is that true and how confident can you be that, you know, as anderson was asking that people actually abide by those mandates? >> no, absolutely. we believe, and i think that's what we've seen in ireland, in france, in belgium, in britain, the czech republic. in many places in europe even though politicians said they weren't going to put mandates back in when the hospitals get overwhelmed, things get really bad, they do. and we keep testing what's the threshold. and since the beginning that threshold has stayed pretty clearly around 8 deaths per million per day. it varies up and down, but so far people really, you know, respond. our leaders in various countries do respond when things get really grim. we didn't see a response in north and south dakota. they hit that threshold and didn't really do very much. but in most places we do think that's what will happen. if they don't things will be worse. >> dr.