mark oaten had been exposed on the sunday.sun news editor. and that e—mail, remarkably, contained a summary of an itemised phone bill from simon hughes's home phone which cannot be obtained legally. there was a payment to a known private investigator. that was used to obtain phone bill data, itemised phone bills and phone numbers. this itemised phone bill showed calls to a gay chat line from simon hughes's home phone. there was a persistent call from the sun saying they wanted to talk to me personally about a personal matter and not willing to talk to any of my team. at the time i didn't have any idea what the issue would be. the meeting with the sun journalist happened on the parliamentary state and the assertion he put to me was that they had evidence that i'd been making phone calls to a gay or man—to—man chattine~ _ they wanted to know what response i'd make to that. the word blackmail wasn't used in the conversation but fairly quickly i said, "yes, i accept that has happened." i've had relationships with women and men, i