at one point, one of the executives who was there, mark pincus, the founder of zinga, they do the games for the iphone, he suggested president obama go so far as to pardon edward snowden, the nsa leaker, the person that some people call a traitor, others call a whistleblower. president obama said he could not do that. some of the other things we heard from participants in the meeting include that the president told the executives that nsa reforms will be announced in january. the executives got the impression from president obama that have bulk collection is not likely going to stop anytime soon, but that there will be an attempt at more transparency. the executives, as i said, pushed really hard on the impact for their companies. these are very successful corporations, facebook, apple is, microsoft, et cetera. and they don't want the government and the government surveillance hurting their companies' ability to grow in 2014. >> all right. jake, thanks. appreciate it as always. >> thank you. >> the federal reserve wrapping up its final policy meeting of the year. and everybody's watchi