that was mark stibbe. to respond to our interview, and they said they conducted an independent review in january 2022 so wouldn't comment any further. the makin report had some strong criticism of the church of england hierarchy and justin welby himself. it said, "john smyth could and should have been reported to the police in 2013. john smyth could have been brought to justice and any abuse he was committing in south africa discovered and stopped." "it was unlikely thatjustin welby would have had no knowledge of the concerns regarding john smyth in the 1980s in the uk. he may not have known of the extreme seriousness of the abuse, but it is most probable that he would have had at least a level of knowledge thatjohn smyth was of some concern." in 2017, justin welby said, "we were in rapid touch with the survivors." this is not correct. there was a very considerable delay in establishing any contacts and in setting up a helpline. early promises made byjustin welby to meet with the victims were not honoured.

what about listening to survivors like mark stibbe, - required. stibbe, he says they should all go. i survivors like mark stibbe, he says they should all go.— they should all go. i think there is an appropriate — they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process _ they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process to - they should all go. i think there is an appropriate process to be to i an appropriate process to be to determine the nature of failings. irate determine the nature of failings. we have got it in the makin report. that was thorough. have you read that. ., u, that was thorough. have you read that. ., _, ., _, that was thorough. have you read that. ., ., ., that. from cover to cover and the appendices- _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there is _ that. from cover to cover and the appendices. there is an _ that. from cover to cover and the l appendices. there is an appropriate process to go through, of risk assessment and i would fully expect those to