mark thiessen wrote about this today and said both sides decided the way to win is no longer to persuadehose in the middle but rather to throw red meat at the hardcore supporters and get them worked up, more worked up than those on the other side. lost in the shuffle are millions of reasonable, persuadable citizens left to choose between two unpalatable alternatives. he says there is a new class of forgotten men and women. that is how he described them. what do you think? >> let's distinguish between civics, which is the overarming american stuff and the -- overaverageing american stuff and the policy fight. i'm the second or third more conservative senator by voting record but i don't think either of the political parties have a long-term plan. we should talk not about 2019 and 2020. we should talk about 2030, 2040. talk about the future of work. the future of war and cyber. we should be talking about whether or not we're passing along american understanding of the first amendment to our kids. frankly on stuff like this where you have a governor of virginia defending infanticide, this s