it wasn't trick shock or -- mark trickett shock or a -- elect rick shop. james launched a movement. >> we need to protect l.g.b.t. from a psych lodge likely abuse of practice. james accepted his sexuality. jerl ni believes his -- jeremy believes it's rooted in childhood trauma. >> when i was young i was kicked and beaten. >> reporter: have you had sex with women. >> there was a couple of times in the past when i did. with my faith it's not appropriate for me do that before harm. >> reporter: do you get the urge for men sometimes? >> sometimes. it's not as often as it used to be. probably 10% of what it used to be in terms of frequency and intensity. it usually happens when i'm feeling lonely or isolated or something has happened i'm shaming myself about. >> being gay doesn't work for you, it's not who you feel like you are. >> stakes are rising for germany in ministries like his. four many are suing juice, claiming the new jersey based group knew it was impossible to change sexuality, but charmed tens of thousands for traumatic therapies including group nu