i know mark udall, a congressman with me. he's a great guy but i strongly disagree on this. you're not taking the person's records but records from the phone companies. there's no expectation of privacy once you turn your records over to another company. no one listening to anyone's phone because, reading e-mails, phone number to phone number. no identification, address, location. >> congressman, when you look at polls two-thirds of americans aren't comfortable with this program. they want changes. don't they need to listen. >> what they are concerned about, think we're listening to phone calls, reading e-mails, they are not. if they knew maybe 1/1,000% listened to at all, after court orders, justice department. what president would do is explain. stronger leadership. i agree with his policies. somehow hiding behind it, blaming nsa, no abuses but need reforms what reforms do you need? to me he's sending a very mixed message. >> let me ask you about specifics. he seems to signal one of the reforms he's considering is having metadata stored by private companies. would you supp

some of your colleagues up for election, mary landrieu, gene shaheen, mark udall and others are have a do over. are they stuck with their votes on this? >> what has a great chance of success is if they decide we have to start over, suspend this thing, we need a time-out on the law. they are stuck now with with with what they've got, unfortunately. we did what we could to protect american people. the truth is you can't just do minor corrective surgery on the law and have everything be okay. a lot of people who once they have gotten health insurance if they can afford it are seeing that the treatment they need and they have come to rely on will no longer be available. >> these doctors say they are having conversations about introducing a package of fixes at the ploept time. -- appropriate time. i can't see it passing in the house. is there anything you would support short of repealing and replacing the law? >> if there is a fix i haven't seen it. i can't foresee a scenario in which i could get excited about something that tinkers with obama care on the edges. i think you have to repeal

some of your colleagues up for election next year, mary landrieu and gene shaheen, mark udall and others are trying to come up with an obama care fix to fix the problems or do-over. does that have any chance of moving in the senate or are they stuck with their votes on this? >> what has a great chance of success is if they decide we need to start over, suspend this thing, we need a time-out on the law. >> they're not going to do it. >> that would have a chance as far as getting (support. of course, they passed this without any bipartisan support and they are stuck now with what they've got. unfortunately. we did what we could to protect american people. the truth is you can't just do minor corrective surgery on the law and have everything be okay. as you point out, it's not just people loseing health coverage r their job, it's people seeing their premiums go up and deductibles skyrocket and those who once they have gotten health insuran insurance, if they can afford it, are seeing that the treatment they need and they have come to rely on will no longer be available. >> these doctors say

--tuesday, senate democrat democratic senator mark udall of colorado said the ca plus withheld study -- edward stone has published an open letter offering to help the brazilian government investigate nsa surveillance. his leaks revealed the nsa spied on the personal communications of brazilian president dilma rousseff as well as on brazil's state-run oil company, petrobras. in his letter, snowden said he needs political asylum in order to assist countries like brazil targeted by nsa spying, writing -- brazilian officials say they have no plans to grant snowden's request. at the white house, press secretary jay carney rejected snowden's call for asylum abroad. as i said earlier, has not changed. ought toe mr. snowden be returned to, ought to return to the united states where he faces charges for leaking classified information, and where he will receive full due process and protections. the broader issues with regards inbrazil and other nations the disclosures are ones that we discussed directly with those nations through diplomatic channels and with our brazilian counterparts, and tha

court and i respect dianne feinstein in this process but i also respect ron wyden and mark udall whoave been raising compassionate issues. it's not that the judge is dealing with klayman. you've got to get this balance right. >> in edward snowden's letter to brazil, john schindler, he actually says to brazil about these nsa programs, "these programs were never about terrorism. they are about economic spying, social control and diplomatic manipulation. they are about power." to say that these programs were never about terrorism is about one of the wildest things snowden has said. >> yeah, it is. and it tells me a lot that the brazilians immediately said, no, thank, we're not interested. look, what edward snowden has done is glom together a lot of different intelligence programs, glenn greenwald has done the same, to be fair, some of them are about counterterrorism and and i think we need to separate this out. it's not helpful for the debate. there are utterly legitimate issues about domestic surveillance here. pushing it together with issues of foreign intelligence is not helpful and

. >> let's listen to mark udall talking about the debate. >> it's time to have real reform. we have on rebuild the american people's trust in our intelligence community so we can be safe, so we can meet the threats that are all over the world. but we don't do that by bulk data collection that violates the privacy of americans, that is unconstitutional and is shown to not be effective. >> how politically charged is this about to be? you have republicans and democrats saying we need to keep a lot of these things in place and also others like the center there saying we need reform. >> this was an interesting one because it's not a clear part son divide. you have pressure from the left on the president to shore up this program. and to make it more transparent and to curb it back. and also less talked about but also important is that the obama administration behind the scenes as they deal with health care and the bunl and other priorities have spent a lot of time having to deal with foreign leaders and other countries that are very upset about this leader of g germany, france, br

. >>> let's get a response now from senator mark udall, senator, thank you for joining us this morningst heard chairman rogers right there, he said that he's not idea to sign on to this idea of sending the phone records, having them to stay with private phone records rather than the federal government collect them, your response? >> the arguments for the status quo, george, fell apart this week in washington. i do find it interesting that chairman rogers, whom i respect, when the presidential panel agrees with him, he says it's a great panel. when he doesn't agree, he says it's manned by three law professors. as if those law professors don't have an understanding of the constitutionality of what we have been doing. i would point out that the panel was actually manned by people who are highly respected, who have deep experience in the role of intelligence and surveillance and national security, i get up every day, george, as a member of the intelligence committee to do two things, to protect the american people and protect the bill of rights. the nsa is overreached. we need to move to a

. >> i want to play a little sound here from colorado senator mark udall on this subject. take a listen. >> it's time to have real reform, not a veneer of reform. we've got to rebuild the american people's trust in our intelligence community so we can be safe. >> so, philip, what needs to be done and by when? >> there are a lot of subject i've answers. the nsa review panel said that they need to reform how this phone meta data is collected. president obama has one take. representative rogers had another. from a political standpoint, president obama is not up for re-election but he understands this is doing political damage to him. it's very unlikely the president will advocate any sweeping reforms and it's pretty unlikely congress will pass anything that substantially undermines the nsa. because the nsa can say what happens if we have a terrorist attack. >> thank you so much. >>> a wild weekend of weather is being blamed for nine deaths across the u.s. and made holiday travel very difficult. at the height of an ice storm, 300,000 people in michigan were without power. that

senate candidate in montana, lieutenant governor john walsh, colorado marks udall. mark begich.eakdown. it's a win-win for democrats because they get a chance to distance themselves from president obama. his popularity is slipping in the states and get to appeal to liberals who are pretty skeptical of this nsa program and make inroads with libertarians who make up a pretty significant chunk of the electorate in these intermountain west states and alaska. >> yeah. very interesting point you make in this article. eleanor, with rafrd to the great divide in america, the dow is going to end the year likely in record territory. but on main street, 1.3 million americans today losing unemployment benefits. ing ahead to 2014, is that contrast between the haves and have nots going to be even greater? >> i think the president has said it's the defining issue of our time. i think we could see a backlash against the republicans if they refuse to move on extending unemployment benefits. i think the minimum wage is now at such a low point, nobody can be commit anywhere near to living with it.