i report directly to president mark udoff, president of the university of california. >> i thought you were going to say a different president. >> well, he's influential, too. >> no, to the president of the university of california. i report to him directly. it's analogous as if i were chancellor of one of the campuses of the university of california. >> okay. >> that's the position that i hold. but of course, the department of energy is the dominant funder of our research, and we're operated in what's called a kind of goco model, government-owned, contractor-operated. so, really, the department of energy runs a number of laboratories, 17 around the country, different laboratories in that mode, where the research is done for the federal government, but typically operated by a contractor, who then operates the laboratory to make sure that it's effective in its use of resources and so on. >> is it possible the university of california could lose such a contract? that it could be run by the university of -- >> sure, periodically, the contract will be recompeted. for example, when my prede